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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    If you recall in ANH, the only person that was able to make the shot was Luke using the force. All other attack runs before his failed due to poor targeting systems.
    At the risk of exposing my true inner nerd, only one other pilot even got to take a shot at the exhaust port, the others were destroyed by Vader and his TIE squadron. So... Two shots on a target only slightly larger than a person, one shot was good (though Force-aided) the other was so close to the mark that it appeared to be a good hit at first. Pretty good shooting, if you ask me.
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Star Trek technology would wipe out any and all Star Wars baddies AND goodies within a day. The transporters ALONE would demolish them. Darth can squeeze only so many necks at a time but more than say 12 Star Fleet personel attacking him with phasers at once would kill him. Lets not even GO to the lesser of the Force users.

    Star Trek wins on technology and their military style tactics. Hands DOWN!
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Who needs conventional weaponry when you've got Q?
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Star Trek technology would wipe out any and all Star Wars baddies AND goodies within a day. The transporters ALONE would demolish them. Darth can squeeze only so many necks at a time but more than say 12 Star Fleet personel attacking him with phasers at once would kill him. Lets not even GO to the lesser of the Force users.
    Star Trek wins on technology and their military style tactics. Hands DOWN!
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    Why would it be a one-on-twelve fight? The Empire alone has far more troops than the Federation, but since you brought it up, how many Federation personnel did you say it would take to kill one Force wielder?

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    What setting would you use on your phasers for that situation, do you think?
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    "I find your lack of faith...disturbing." - Darth Vader

    The Empire alone has far more personnel than the Federation, but since you brought it up, how many Federation personnel did you say it would take to kill one Force wielder?

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    What setting would use use on your phasers for that situation, do you think?
    Would not have too. Q or the Borg could handle it with ease! Hell, what would Star Wars do against Klingon and Romulan ships that cloak? Oh I know, be destroyed, lol.
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Technically, Star Trek had a weapon (of unknown origin) which could destroy a planet a decade before Lucas came up with the Death Star.

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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Would not have too. Q or the Borg could handle it with ease! Hell, what would Star Wars do against Klingon and Romulan ships that cloak? Oh I know, be destroyed, lol.
    Now you've awakened my full-on Dork Mode! You neatly avoided my question, since I specifically mentioned the Federation people armed with phasers in Noodle's post. However, for the sake of argument, Q rarely chooses to involve himself in the affairs of mortals and he is only one god-like being. The Force is a transcending energy encompassing everything. To compare the two, it would be like arguing who would win a fight between a single deity and a metaphysical life force.

    ...and the Borg? lol. One hive mind makes it that much easier to pull off a little Force mind control. Imagine a Sith taking control of an entire race and using them as their own personal soldiers.

    The Star Wars universe has cloaking technology for both ships and individuals as well.

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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Now you've awakened my inner nerd! You neatly avoided my question, since I specifically mentioned the Federation people armed with phasers in Noodle's post. However, for the sake of argument, Q rarely chooses to involve himself in the affairs of mortals and he is only one god-like being. The Force is a transcending energy encompassing everything. To compare the two, it would be like arguing who would win a fight between a single deity and a metaphysical life force.
    Unfortunately for you Lucas revealed where the force comes from... Midi-chlorians! Nothing more than a non-sentient micro organism! With a transporter, it would not be that difficult to subdue and subjugate all force sensitive people by killing off the midi-cholrians. So much for the farce, I mean force. Bwhahahahahahahhahahaha!

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    ...and the Borg? lol. One hive mind makes it that much easier to pull off a little Force mind control. Imagine a Sith taking control of an entire race and using them as their own personal soldiers.
    Kinda hard when the force has been eradicated.

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    Don't crawl back into your moms basement yet! We have just begun! Bwahahahahahahahaha!
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Unfortunately for you Lucas revealed where the force comes from... Midi-chlorians! Nothing more than a non-sentient micro organism...
    technically incorrect...
    Force (Star Wars) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Midi-chlorians and the Chosen One
    Midi-chlorians (also spelled "midi-clorians" or "midichlorians") are a microorganism in the fictional Star Wars galaxy, first mentioned in The Phantom Menace. They are microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the Force.[6] They are symbionts with all other living things and without them life could not exist. The Jedi have learned how to listen to and coordinate the midi-chlorians. While every living being thus has a connection to the Force, one must have a high enough concentration of midi-chlorians in one's cells in order to be a Jedi or a Sith.[7][8]
    They would have to be sentient, to communicate with all life and with the Force. Also, this would indicate they do not 'cause' or 'create' the Force, but communicate with it.

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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Unfortunately for you Lucas revealed where the force comes from... Midi-chlorians! Nothing more than a non-sentient micro organism! With a transporter, it would not be that difficult to subdue and subjugate all force sensitive people by killing off the midi-cholrians. So much for the farce, I mean force. Bwhahahahahahahhahahaha!



    Kinda hard when the force has been eradicated.



    Don't crawl back into your moms basement yet! We have just begun! Bwahahahahahahahaha!
    My mom's basement is comfy, there's Cheetos down here. Alright, further proof that I'll debate anything:

    The fact that YOU know where the Force comes from does not mean that everyone in a Star Trek Universe would know that. They'd have to obtain a Force positive individual first and then perform an extensive amount of testing on them before being able to positively indentify it's source. In the meantime, the evil Empire has wiped out your life as we know it.

    Your analysis of midi-chlorians is also wrong. They are sentient organisms that serve merely as an indicator of a person's Force aptitude. They are not the Force.

    Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things. When present in sufficient numbers, they could allow their symbiont to detect the pervasive energy field known as the Force. Midi-chlorian counts were linked to potential in the Force, ranging from normal Human levels of 2,500 per cell to the much higher levels of Jedi. The highest known midi-chlorian count belonged to the Jedi Anakin Skywalker (over 20,000 per cell), who was believed to have been conceived by the midi-chlorians.

    Midi-chlorian counts were measured through a blood test; the Jedi used this method to locate Force-sensitive children before their Order was purged by the Galactic Empire. With the rise of the Empire, research into Jedi and the Force was banned, and though midi-chlorians continued to be tested for, sometimes by the Empire itself to root out hidden Jedi and other Force-sensitives, knowledge of them was diminished and inquiries into them were branded as illegal medical research. Midi-chlorians were only rediscovered after a New Jedi Order was founded.

    When not forbidden, studies of midi-chlorians occurred among those who could master the Force and those who could not. While medical teams worked to understand the relationship between midi-chlorians and the Force, Jedi healers performed their own studies of the organisms. Even more esoteric studies were conducted by the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Plagueis, who discovered a way to manipulate the midi-chlorians to create new life.
    However, here's a list of non-Force related superweapons that could pose a wee bit of a problem to your Delta Quadrant.

    Centerpoint Station
    Centerpoint Station is an ancient space station capable of moving entire planets with its tractor beams; eons ago, it moved the planets Corellia, Drall, Selonia and possibly Talus and Tralus to their current location. The station sits at a Lagrangian point between the latter two worlds. The tractor beam system can be used as a weapon capable of destroying entire stars. In addition, it can project an artificial gravity well spanning the entire Corellian System, making hyperspace travel within the system impossible. Centerpoint was designed to work in concert with the planetary repulsors of the five Corellian System worlds. It was theorized that this could be used to increase the range and accuracy of the "Starbuster" beam. They could also be used to produce gravity wells anywhere in the galaxy, or even one spanning the entire galaxy.

    In the Corellian Crisis, Thrackan Sal-Solo, a cousin of Han Solo, intends to use the station to force entire star systems into submission and restore the Imperial system in the Corellian Sector. This plot was averted. During the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, Anakin Solo refused to use Centerpoint Station to destroy an entire Yuuzhan Vong fleet in the Battle of Fondor, so Thrackan Sal-Solo fired it instead; however, his aim was off, resulting in the destruction not only of the Yuuzhan Vong fleet but also of a great deal of the allied Hapan fleet as well. Kyp Durron and Dr. Seyah destroy Centerpoint Station in Fury.

    [edit] Darksaber
    The Darksaber appears in the novel of the same name and was built by the Hutts during the New Republic era. It was a long cylinder housing a Death Star superlaser. A New Republic commando team led by General Crix Madine infiltrate the weapon's interior and sabotage it. However, none of the three commandos survived the mission. When a New Republic task force arrived, the Darksaber was chased into Hoth's asteroid belt, where two large asteroids crushed the Darksaber.

    [edit] Death Star
    Main article: Death Star
    The Galactic Empire's ultimate terror weapon, the Death Star is a giant spherical military station with a superlaser weapon capable of destroying a planet. A Death Star appears in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope and another in Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. The designs for the Death Star are visible in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, and a Death Star appears under construction at the end of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. A prototype Death Star with a functioning main weapon was found inside the Maw, but was destroyed when it fell into a black hole.

    [edit] Eye of Palpatine
    The Eye of Palpatine is an automated "battlemoon", dwarfing even a Super Star Destroyer, disguised as an asteroid. It was intended to wipe out a Jedi sanctuary on the planet Belsavis. The Eye of Palpatine was disabled by a Jedi, Callista, before it could be used and was forgotten until decades later, when former Imperial agent (and suspected concubine of Palpatine) Roganda Ismaren and her son, Irek, attempted to control the vessel. During the attempt by Roganda, Jedi Luke Skywalker and Cray are taken aboard. Cray destroys the ship. The marked difference between this ship and many others of its size, was the use of a somewhat sentient Artificial Intelligence, dubbed "The Will" to run the ship. It also has the capacity to control all the droids on the ship and take over all the firing ports.

    [edit] Galaxy Gun
    The Galaxy Gun appears in the Dark Empire II and Empire's End. It is a gigantic artillery piece that fires shells, which travel through hyperspace, then revert to normal space to destroy targets. The shells this gun fires contain special chemicals which react with a planet's core causing it to become unstable, thereby shattering the planet quickly. The Galaxy Gun was destroyed in the events of Empire's End when a Super Star Destroyer, the Eclipse, was rammed into it.

    [edit] Mass shadow generator
    The mass shadow generator is a superweapon in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. The mass shadow generator uses the gravity of a planet to generate a quantum singularity. The singularity is made to destabilize, creating a "gravitic implosion shockwave." In orbit around Malachor V, the Mandalorian armies were quickly destroying the battered Republic army sent to the planet. The general on site—the Jedi Exile -- activated the superweapon. The destructive power destroyed almost the entire Republic fleet, and destroyed the Mandalorian armies completely.

    [edit] Star Forge
    The Star Forge appears in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. Created by the Infinite Empire of the Rakata thousands of years before the rise of the Galactic Republic, it is a giant automated shipyard. It draws matter and energy from a nearby star to create an endless supply of ships, droids, and other materiel. After the fall of the Infinite Empire, the Star Forge was deserted and eventually forgotten, although a series of Star Maps held the Forge's coordinates. It was eventually found by Revan and Malak, who used the Star Forge to create an endless fleet with which to fight the Republic. Depending on what path the player's character takes, the Star Forge is either destroyed when Darth Malak is killed or used by Darth Revan to create a fleet of starships.

    [edit] Sun Crusher
    The Sun Crusher appears in the Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson. Designed and constructed within the Maw and overseen by Admiral Daala, the Sun Crusher has a nearly indestructible hull made of quantum-crystalline armor. The primary weapon is a torpedo launched into the heart of a star that causes it to go supernova, obliterating everything in the local solar system. The Sun Crusher is destroyed when Kyp Durron flies it into a black hole.

    [edit] World Devastator
    World Devastators appear in the Dark Empire comics and the PC/N64 Star Wars: Rogue Squadron game. World Devastators consume the material of planet, using it in their internal factories to produce new war machines for the Empire. The Emperor, fearing that these weapons could be turned against him, included an override code in their programming. The Rebels acquire this code through R2-D2 and order the World Devastators to consume each other. The world devastators were designed from ground-based walking construction droids, which use a molecular furnace to 'consume' and remake debris and other items into useful/new constructions.

    [edit] Yo'gand's Core
    Yo'gand's Core is a Yuuzhan Vong method for destroying a planet, invented in ancient times by the Warmaster Yo'gand. A massive dovin basal deployed to the target planet's surface disrupts a moon's orbit and causes it to crash into the planet. The Yuuzhan Vong use this tactic to destroy Sernpidal in Vector Prime.
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