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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    hokey religion and ancient weapons are no match for a fully charged phaser bank and warp drive.
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Since the question has obviously come up, I would have to go with Star Trek in any war between ST and SW's forces.

    Star Trek has better tech, hands down.

    Teleporters alone provide vast tactical and (possibly) strategic advantages, and that doesn't even touch on the higher tech shielding, weaponry (both types and adaptability), medical knowledge/ability, computing power/skill...One could go on.
    You could also factor in the use of temporal mechanics and time travel from Star Trek. That would have great consequences on events that happened in Star Wars.

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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You could also factor in the use of temporal mechanics and time travel from Star Trek. That would have great consequences on events that happened in Star Wars.
    True, very true.

    Not to mention, I think ST travel speeds are greater than SW's.
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    hokey religion and ancient weapons are no match for a fully charged phaser bank and warp drive.
    Tell that to my Super Star Destroyer and Death Star
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    True, very true.

    Not to mention, I think ST travel speeds are greater than SW's.
    Well, not necessarily...

    The in-universe mechanics of FTL-travel in both universes are quite different from each other. I admit I understand very little of both, but I will try to recall what I can of both from memory.

    In ST, warp drive is based on manipulations of gravity and traveling through subspace. Effectively, a ship going at warp speed is traveling to their destination - rather, they are letting gravity pull them to the destination. So they aren't pushed but rather pulled. Because of this, the gravitational pull of planets is a semi-major factor on traveling lanes.

    In SW, FTL-travel is achieved through entry into hyperspace. I believe it is conjectured that spacecraft don't necessarily travel in realspace at FTL speeds but rather enter a separate dimension in which the physics of that place allows them to travel and speeds that are faster-than-light in the SW universe.

    Also, if the use of "subspace" in Star Trek and the use of "hyperspace" in Star Wars is indicative of anything, FTL travel in Star Trek is dependent on traveling through a dimension on a lower order of the universe while FTL travel in Star Wars is dependant on traveling through a dimension on higher order of the universe.

    The way subsapce travel works can be shown in this thought experiment. Imagine that the universe has multiple dimensions, each of which are layered. Now imagine that these layers are concentric circles. The circumferences of the "inner circles" or "lower dimensions" circles is smaller than the circumferences of the "outer circles" or "upper dimensions." So for a vessel of one dimension to shift to a lower dimension, travel through it, and then go back to the original dimension would take less time than if they traveled the same distance in their higher dimension.

    Hyperspace travel works in a different ways. It relies on the alien physics of a different dimension to either 1) travel a greater distance in the same amount of time or 2) travel the same distance but in a lesser amount of time.

    And while we can make conjectures and hypothesize on the differences between the two, the truth is that characters in both works travel at the speed of plot.

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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Tell that to my Super Star Destroyer and Death Star
    It would be so ****ing easy to teleport a quantum torpedo or ST destructive device of some sort into the power core of the Death Star, or a SSD – or anywhere they damn well please.

    Hell, they could simply teleport all the enemy crew into space…

    I have no recollection of SW shield systems being capable of blocking teleportation – Unlike ST shields.
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It would be so ****ing easy to teleport a quantum torpedo or ST destructive device of some sort into the power core of the Death Star, or a SSD – or anywhere they damn well please.

    Hell, they could simply teleport all the enemy crew into space…

    I have no recollection of SW shield systems being capable of blocking teleportation – Unlike ST shields.
    If you lasted long enough to do that, that is. The SSD has more than enough firepower to take your shields, and your ship before you can blink, and the Death Star would screw your starbase and planet so fast it wouldn't be funny....lol
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, not necessarily...

    The in-universe mechanics of FTL-travel in both universes are quite different from each other. I admit I understand very little of both, but I will try to recall what I can of both from memory.

    In ST, warp drive is based on manipulations of gravity and traveling through subspace. Effectively, a ship going at warp speed is traveling to their destination - rather, they are letting gravity pull them to the destination. So they aren't pushed but rather pulled. Because of this, the gravitational pull of planets is a semi-major factor on traveling lanes.

    In SW, FTL-travel is achieved through entry into hyperspace. I believe it is conjectured that spacecraft don't necessarily travel in realspace at FTL speeds but rather enter a separate dimension in which the physics of that place allows them to travel and speeds that are faster-than-light in the SW universe.

    Also, if the use of "subspace" in Star Trek and the use of "hyperspace" in Star Wars is indicative of anything, FTL travel in Star Trek is dependent on traveling through a dimension on a lower order of the universe while FTL travel in Star Wars is dependant on traveling through a dimension on higher order of the universe.

    The way subsapce travel works can be shown in this thought experiment. Imagine that the universe has multiple dimensions, each of which are layered. Now imagine that these layers are concentric circles. The circumferences of the "inner circles" or "lower dimensions" circles is smaller than the circumferences of the "outer circles" or "upper dimensions." So for a vessel of one dimension to shift to a lower dimension, travel through it, and then go back to the original dimension would take less time than if they traveled the same distance in their higher dimension.

    Hyperspace travel works in a different ways. It relies on the alien physics of a different dimension to either 1) travel a greater distance in the same amount of time or 2) travel the same distance but in a lesser amount of time.

    And while we can make conjectures and hypothesize on the differences between the two, the truth is that characters in both works travel at the speed of plot.
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    I recall several more advanced travel methods being mentioned, however, in several episodes and movies.
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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    If you lasted long enough to do that, that is. The SSD has more than enough firepower to take your shields, and your ship before you can blink, and the Death Star would screw your starbase and planet so fast it wouldn't be funny....lol
    If a bunch of X-Wing starfighters can take on the Death Star, a bunch of runabouts would destroy it faster, and would have transporters too.

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    Re: Star Trek or Star Wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If a bunch of X-Wing starfighters can take on the Death Star, a bunch of runabouts would destroy it faster, and would have transporters too.
    X-wings are faster and way more manueverable than a runabout, and ST ships can't use a transporter unless they lower their shields. Furthermore, when you look at the actual name of both ST and SW shields, they are referred to as deflector shields. Their functions are also the same, so it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that SW shields could also block transporters like ST shields.
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