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Fly other Nations flags in America?

Fly other Nations flags in America?


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I don't consider protests to be "peaceable assemblies", nor do I consider their activities to fall under the "freedom of expression". They are loud and disorderly and they turn into riots far too easily..


Seems like a gross generalization to me.
 
I don't consider protests to be "peaceable assemblies", nor do I consider their activities to fall under the "freedom of expression". They are loud and disorderly and they turn into riots far too easily. They interfere with citizens going about their lawful business. So, yes, when they gather in numbers and start shouting and waving picket signs, I think firehoses and attack dogs are the most appropriate response.

The founding fathers would probably argue against your position...

"The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing."
John Adams

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
Thomas Paine

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government."
Thomas Paine

What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? - Thomas Jefferson

"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." - John Adams
 
The Founding Fathers would have opposed many of my positions. I honor them as national heroes, but that doesn't mean I'm in lockstep with their beliefs.
 
I'm all for a head getting knocked in every now and then but I would save those for people that are an actual threat to the state.
 
I think anyone calling themselves an American should only fly American flags and anyone wishing to be American should only fly American flags. Because if that person's former country was great enough that he or she want to be flying its flag here in the US then why are is that person here in the US instead of their former country?

My favorite Teddy Roosevelt quote



All that said they have the constitutional right to flay another nation's flag. However they still have no business calling themselves an American.

I don't understand. Why wouldn't you want more multiculturalism in your nation? Every Italian-American, Irish-American, or German-American in your country brings more to the table than just a single mass of "Americans".
 
I don't understand. Why wouldn't you want more multiculturalism in your nation? Every Italian-American, Irish-American, or German-American in your country brings more to the table than just a single mass of "Americans".

Multiculturalism proceeded after the above examples you provided. Those above demographics have pride in their heritage, that is to be sure, but it is certainly much more muted than what was encouraged when multiculturalism gained headway. The goal was to become "American", even if you could contribute some flavor in the meanwhile. Personally, I like that balance between assimilation and multiculturalism, with more emphasis on assimilation. I don't want to encourage tribalism.

That being said, again, again, I would fly both the American flag and the Irish flag. My home is America, my heritage is Irish and British (though I deny the Britishness, because those Brits in my family were among the first of our Founding Fathers and their immediate children who also became leaders). I'm glad for the sense of being "American" rather than merely someone from another country now in a new one.
 
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What's the big deal about flying other nations flags?

I have the Irish and United Nations flags on my wall.
 
When you try to control others to only fly American flags you are skirting a little too closely to Nationalism in my opinion. Honestly, who cares and why is it such a big deal? Live and let live.
 
I like nationalism, and so should anyone living in a good country. People misunderstand what nationalism is.
 
I don't understand. Why wouldn't you want more multiculturalism in your nation? Every Italian-American, Irish-American, or German-American in your country brings more to the table than just a single mass of "Americans".


When a nationality flys THEIR flag in pride, it segregates them as a small community within America. They SHOULD have 100% pride in America and ONLY want to display their total joy as being a NEW part of this GREAT Nation called America. Their PAST country of origin SHOULD be in the past.
So when they display OTHER flags..... it is their pride of their FORMER nation. How could you LOVE America by displaying a FORMER nations flag?
I just dont get it.
 
As long as they obey any relevant flag codes, in Australia your not allowed to fly any flag higher than the Australian flag, so as long things like that are obeyed, who cares.
 
When a nationality flys THEIR flag in pride, it segregates them as a small community within America. They SHOULD have 100% pride in America and ONLY want to display their total joy as being a NEW part of this GREAT Nation called America. Their PAST country of origin SHOULD be in the past.
So when they display OTHER flags..... it is their pride of their FORMER nation. How could you LOVE America by displaying a FORMER nations flag?
I just dont get it.

I think it is fine for people to take some pride of their family heritage. Additionally, as a History nerd, I can completely see the desire to be aware of it and to take pride in those facts. That being said, I don't agree with the idea that because of the diverse cultures in this country, we need to repudiate the melting pot idea in favor of a salad. Multiculturalism pays some very small abstract lip service to the idea of being American, but it spends most of its time focusing on that which makes each of us different from each other. It never really pays homage to what an "American" ethos really is other than the fact that we are all different and respect of cultures is paramount.

The shame of it is that multiculturalism is in at least a small amount a reflection on the arrogance of academics who do not see the practical uses of civilization for governing a people. They turned an interesting intellectual exercise into a reality principle, which is entirely problematic. The "understanding" is done in a lop-sided manner where it is "our" responsibility to be of a "higher" mind than we once were and to accept other "cultures" as just as good as "our own." Meanwhile, it is almost as if they are caught unaware that those same cultures we need to respect are using the very same techniques that are "no longer acceptable for us to live by."

To me, there is a reason why we should heed the events surrounding Aristotle and Socrates with regard to the relationship between the City and Philosophy.
 
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I think it is fine for people to take some pride of their family heritage. Additionally, as a History nerd, I can completely see the desire to be aware of it and to take pride in those facts. That being said, I don't agree with the idea that because of the diverse cultures in this country, we need to repudiate the melting pot idea in favor of a salad.

No salad. Just National pride. When you are THRILLED to be a part of something, you want to represent that. NOT represent what you WERE a part of. That, to ME, cancels out your love of what you are CURRENTLY a part of. I find it.... insulting.
 
What I'm wondering is that so many seem to think the symbolic act of flying a flag actually is a yardstick for the national pride or identity. I'd question that. Everybody can fly a flag, no matter how much he really is proud on the right things and believes in the right values that make your country great. That's easy. It's a symbolic act and doesn't say much.

I'm sure there are some people in America flying other flags than the American, who have a better understanding what America actually is about, about its values and history, than quite a few people who are all crazy about flying the American flag and do it all the time. But that's just my guess, I might be wrong.

For example, probably there are some racists who often wave the American flag, yet many people will say that when he's a racist, he does not really understand what America stands for, and thus isn't a true patriot. An Italian-American, who waves the Italian flag because of pride in his heritage, on the other side, may appreciate American values of freedom much more than said racist, and be proud of them, and thus be a better patriot.

If you really want to find out if someone is a true patriot, then talk with him and ask him what he believes. Don't just watch which flag he waves, and how often.
 
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No salad. Just National pride. When you are THRILLED to be a part of something, you want to represent that. NOT represent what you WERE a part of. That, to ME, cancels out your love of what you are CURRENTLY a part of. I find it.... insulting.

What crap, America is a nation of immigrants and you want to erase that part of your history, as though nothing exists outside of America, you do your country a disservice.
 
What crap, America is a nation of immigrants and you want to erase that part of your history, as though nothing exists outside of America, you do your country a disservice.


NO! I want people to be sooooooooooo happy to be here, that they toss they PAST country crap away. This IS America. They should be THRILLED they are in the Country THEY decided to be the BEST!
If this is NOT the best..... then WHY are you here!??!?
 
NO! I want people to be sooooooooooo happy to be here, that they toss they PAST country crap away.
Why? I'm Irish and I'm proud to be Irish, why should living here take precedent over that? I dont feel as American as I do Irish so why force it?

If this is NOT the best..... then WHY are you here!??!?
In the words of my great grandfather "It beats a bullet in the ass"
 
NO! I want people to be sooooooooooo happy to be here, that they toss they PAST country crap away. This IS America. They should be THRILLED they are in the Country THEY decided to be the BEST!
And you think that throwing away their past is the best thing to do?
If this is NOT the best..... then WHY are you here!??!?
:lol: I'm not.
 
I like nationalism, and so should anyone living in a good country. People misunderstand what nationalism is.

Good for you. And no, I'm well aware of what nationalism is.
 
I like nationalism, and so should anyone living in a good country. People misunderstand what nationalism is.

No, you misunderstand what nationalism is.

Patriotism is all well and fine -- it's the belief that your country is great, and you've got pride in it. Nationalism, however, is dangerous and militant -- it is the belief that your country must be the best and you'd do anything to see it there.

Ultimately, that means nationalism just breeds hatred, xenophobia, militarism and isolation.
 
No, you misunderstand what nationalism is.

Patriotism is all well and fine -- it's the belief that your country is great, and you've got pride in it. Nationalism, however, is dangerous and militant -- it is the belief that your country must be the best and you'd do anything to see it there.

Ultimately, that means nationalism just breeds hatred, xenophobia, militarism and isolation.

It amuzes me when you globalist/internationalist try to smear nationalism.
Dictionary - Definition of nationalism

1. Love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it; "British nationalism was in the air and patriotic sentiments ran high".[Wordnet]
2. The doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other.[Wordnet]
3. The aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination.[Wordnet]
4. The doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals.[Wordnet]
5. The state of being national; national attachment; nationality.[Websters]
6. An idiom, trait, or character peculiar to any nation.[Websters]
7. National independence; the principles of the Nationalists.[Websters].
 
It amuzes me when you globalist/internationalist try to smear nationalism.

Nationalism can also mean: "excessive patriotism; chauvinism" according to dictionary.com which is the context that I think it was being used in. At least, that was the context I intended.
 
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