"To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by rights to hand down to them."~ Theodore Roosevelt (Message to Congress, Dec. 3, 1907)
All of this was evil, but a reenactment group is not responsible. The majority of the solders who participated with the unit where not implicated or involved in war crimes. Why would they add that?Members of the division's bakery column, led by Obersturmführer Braunnagel and Untersturmführer Kochalty, assisted Einsatzgruppe A in rounding up Ukrainian Jews. Witnesses report that the Jewish victims were forced to run a gauntlet formed by soldiers who would beat them as they passed, and when they reached the end of the gauntlet, Einsatzgruppen officers murdered them and their bodies were pushed into a bomb crater. The German 1st Mountain Division is also suspected of being implicated. Between 50 and 60 Jews were killed in this manner, as a part of the larger Einsatzgruppe operation which resulted in over 700 murders.
In addition historian Eleonore Lappin from the Institute for the History of Jews in Austria has documented several cases of war crimes committed by members of the 5 SS Division Wiking in her work The Death Marches of Hungarian Jews Through Austria in the Spring of 1945.
On March 28, 1945, eighty Jews from evacuation column, though fit for the journey, were shot by three members of the Waffen SS division Wiking and five military policemen. On April 4, twenty members of another column that left Graz tried to escape near Eggenfeld, not far from Gratkorn. Soldiers from the 5 SS Division Wiking that were temporarily stationed there apprehended them in the forest near Mt. Eggenfeld and then herded them in a gully, where they were shot. On April 7 and 11, 1945 members of the division executed another eighteen escaped prisoners.
That would be like my unit talking on the web site about the blacks that served in the Union being put back or sold into slavery, and their white officers shot.
In the end it is still nothing more than a reenactment group. And your hyperbole is still just that.
This is too good to pass up...
Last edited by Black Dog; 10-23-10 at 10:47 AM.
Just to clarify things further - I'll make a stretch here. Mr.KC is familiar with the Nazi's and their Eintzgruppen activities in Poland And Russia. This includes the Mega incident at Babi Yar. He also knows that one reason the Ukranians welcomed the Germans initially and were glad the Jews were being taken care of was in some instances the fact that many of the more reprehensible Commisars and worse in the Stalin era were Jewish including total vermin like Nikolay Yerzhov & Genrikh Yagoda.
He also KNOWS that Stalin's NKVD after Poland was invaded from the East by Stalin also participated in Murder especially the Katyn massacres. He also knows that in July 1944 Stalin waited until the "risen up" Polish Home Army in Warsaw was essentially destroyed by the Germans. He wanted the Non Communist Poles eliminated as much as possible.
He identifies himself as a Red (possibly saw Reds with warren Beatty too often (??) ) and knows some will be irritated by it. His memories are very selective.
Last edited by Ned Racine; 10-23-10 at 10:48 AM.
Ugh. You're really hopeless.All of this was evil, but a reenactment group is not responsible.
Except we're talking in one instance about a general historical event (blacks being put into slavery) whereas in the other case we're referring to actions taken directly by those whom are being impersonated and glorified as freedom fighters. Once again, you completely miss.That would be like my unit talking on the web site about the blacks that served in the Union being put back or sold into slavery, and their white officers shot.
Interesting:That is a hell of an exaggeration! From 700 to 1,000,000!!!
Originally Posted by wikiI can't find the information in the source listed for the 700, but the one million is well documented, it seems.Originally Posted by wiki
Ah, here we go:
So they assisted Einsatzgruppe A as part of the broader Einsatzgruppen who was responsible for around 1,000,000 deaths.Originally Posted by wiki
Open a thread if you want to whine about my views on Lenin. Maybe I'll actually respond.Originally Posted by Ned Racine
Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 10-23-10 at 11:16 AM.
"I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."
Then you put celebrities like Reiner (with big name recognition) on the Bill Maher show and his arrogant attitudes about how brilliant he is and how ignorant everyone else is. The guests can go over the top as much as they wish, and the adoring live audience perpetuates the massive circle jerk. He (Reiner) just succeeded in painting himself as another Hollywood clown act.
He needs to stick with directing movies. (Stand By Me was excellent...)
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)