View Poll Results: What do you think of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange

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  • War Criminal against US

    14 32.56%
  • Humanitarian

    3 6.98%
  • Unsure but irrelevant I believe WikiLeaks motivation is justice

    14 32.56%
  • He is a spy trying to put Americans in harms way

    6 13.95%
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    There is no evidence that they in any way conspired or aided the leakers and it falls down to the whistle blowing laws of the country in question.
    Which is why I said "if." I think it's certainly a reasonable inference given the circumstances and that it should be investigated.

    It depends on what the publication involves. If it is troop movements, agreed. However it is an error in judgment to suggest anything else be withheld from the public. You only serve to allow the government to repeat this behavior in the future. Socrates once said, "your silence gives consent". If human rights abuses are taking place, the UN needs to be informed and the US government needs to take the necessary actions and learn from its mistake.

    However what is happening here is pretty clear. The governments initial response was to stop the publication of all material. Now its scare mongering and using Assange as the scape goat.
    I'm not talking about moral or political issues, I'm talking about legal issues. Prior restraint is permissible in a very narrow set of circumstances. I can easily foresee a situation where wikileaks or another similar group would act in a way that would qualify.

    It is a system that can be flexible. The US government has every right to stop the publication of the material, and only the particular material that could reveal the identities of locals and the entire NATO strategy out there (through court action). And above all, it should seek to make amends, or it will loose the peoples sympathy completely.
    A system that gives a random group of individuals the authority to release whatever they get their hands on and lets them justify it later is not a workable system.


    That is not the issue here, the issue here is the fact that the US has allowed Iraqi troops to violate the rights of others, including burning victims with acid. Excuse me if that's a "minor" allegation not worth catching up on.
    So which ones do you think we should report and which ones should we not? How much proof do you think we should have? Who do you think we should report it to?

    I've made this clear already.
    Where? All I see is where you said we should "investigate the crimes" and "not cover up human rights abuses." Generalities are all well and good, but that doesn't really do much to lay out a plan for what they should actually do in practice.

    All of that is clear on the wikileaks website.
    I'm asking for specifics about how the US lied re: civilian deaths. Can you provide me a link?

    The documents in question have not yet been released but these are said to be the contents of the documents leaked. Im sure you too have heard that deaths at civilian checkpoints are actually higher than what they have been reported to be.
    I've heard a lot of people saying that they read in some paper that there are documents that indicate that someone else said X. I've not seen a lot of actual proof.

    Arguably, one more than the other.
    But still deeply intertwined, which is my point. It's ridiculous to say "oh, these documents will just embarrass the US and expose their bad actions, they won't actually harm any troops or affect the conduct of the war."
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Mr. Assange said America was an increasingly militarized society and a threat to democracy.
    This made me laugh in real life.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    What do you think of the WikiLeaks founder?
    I think he's a world-class douchebag, who nonetheless is providing a necessary service to the world.
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    I can't. This is important.
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    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The freedom of the press is meant to keep a check on the govenment.
    Where the hell has the American media been since the Democrats took over?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    What do you think of the WikiLeaks founder?
    Prick. Cocksucker. Idiot.
    I hope he lives his life in fear.

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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Julian Assange

    I think Assange is a head that is in need of a bullet.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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