View Poll Results: What do you think of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange

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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, I was making reference to the two traitors, who gave the secrets to the atomic bomb, to the enemy.
    Which just happened to be communist.

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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    None of that could possibly result in the deaths of American servicemen.

    As TED pointed out, being a member of the military is--by it's very nature--dangerous. However, our service members deserve the highest level of safety and security that the government can provide.
    Which is why I'd object to operational data being released.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Leaks to prove that the US is turning a blind eye to human rights violations and covering up innocent deaths: Yes.

    Leaks that name locals who help coalition forces and reveal future coalition strategies: No.
    So who decides which is which? Who ensures that they don't just end up releasing everything they come across?

    Why is people spending more time criticizing Assange than the idiots who are covering up this bloodied mess?
    Because the threat that accompanies someone leaking classified information with no limitations is infinitely greater than the threat that accompanies a country seeking to downplay bad actions like every other country in history.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The random person in the government who evaluates them is doing so according to the guidelines of the government and in the interests of the country. The random person outside the government is releasing whatever he wants. That's a huge difference, IMO.
    I've seen far too many examples of government agents who believed (or claimed) they were acting in the best interests of the country and yet turned out to be unworthy of my trust.

    I refuse to trust the random person in the government just because they're in the government, and as I've said the "guidelines" have protected too much data strictly to keep reputations from being tarnished for me to care about them.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No.

    I'm saying that Julian Assange is just as random to me as the government agent classifying material.
    Except there is a large difference. Assange's qualifications are that he owns a website, whereas the people who classify material have actual written job requirements and standards to adhere to.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except there is a large difference. Assange's qualifications are that he owns a website, whereas the people who classify material have actual written job requirements and standards to adhere to.
    Completely irrelevant, since I have no way of verifying that they fullfill those requirements or adhere to those standards. I know nothing about them.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Completely irrelevant, since I have no way of verifying that they fullfill those requirements or adhere to those standards. I know nothing about them.
    If they where not fulfilling those requirements or adhering to those standards, they would be removed from the job. The DoD and the military take job performance very seriously.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Well, I'm glad you feel better.

    I've seen and studied the ugly side of our many bureaucracies and governmental departments often enough that I abjectly refuse to blindly trust someone whose face I'll never even see just because they have a badge or an ID card or a certification or a clearance.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So who decides which is which? Who ensures that they don't just end up releasing everything they come across?
    Assange. But he is clearly too reckless and too indecent to do such a thing. Thus i cannot say i support his whistle blowing completely, however my point was that it is ludicrous that anger is being concentrated on him only. The US government deserves its share for its hypocrisy.

    Because the threat that accompanies someone leaking classified information with no limitations is infinitely greater than the threat that accompanies a country seeking to downplay bad actions like every other country in history.
    That still doesn't answer the question, this is not merely a matter of downplaying actions (because these are serious allegations). We have found evidence of the US allowing human rights abuses to go unnoticed and we have caught the US government lying about the number of civilian deaths. The US government has a legitimate concern in regards to Assange, however, they are using this opportunity to divert the attention for there own crimes and people are buying into it. Where is the finger pointing at the US government?

    Unless the US government apologizes and takes the necessary actions to ensure the public such a thing will not happen again, they really have no ground to say Assange threatens troops when it is clear the government has no respect for human life as it is.
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    Re: Julian Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    None of that could possibly result in the deaths of American servicemen.

    As TED pointed out, being a member of the military is--by it's very nature--dangerous. However, our service members deserve the highest level of safety and security that the government can provide.
    Documents don't get people killed. Unwanted occupations do.
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