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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Kandahar;1059054686]Except there was, and it was quite high in 1981 and 1982. But hey, I'm sure your memory is a more reliable source than statistics.
    Historical Inflation data from 1914 to the present
    Inflation occurred at the end of the Carter years and beginning of the Reagan years, inflation continued to drop after the Bush tax cuts. I am still waiting for you to explain to me how income tax revenue almost doubled after the Reagan 10-10-5% tax cuts? Ever hear of the misery index? Look it up and follow it by year.

    OMG. I already told you that you can pick ANY year, as long as it's in CONSTANT dollars rather than CURRENT dollars. OK, I'm seriously done. It's obvious you haven't the faintest understanding of economics, and wear your ignorance as a badge of honor. So there really isn't any point in my trying to educate you.

    You are absolutely correct, I ran a 200 million dollar business and retired in 2004 at the age of 57. I know absolutely nothing about how to run a business, inflation, productivity, personal behavior, or how to do research. Stop buying the BS you are being taught and get out into the real world. Fact is tax cuts grew govt. revenue and that wasn't due to inflation, it was due to people keeping more of what they earned, spending, saving, investing that money which helped create almost 20 million new taxpayers.

    Before educating me, get some real life experience and educate yourself.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a myth the class warfare operatives use to justify confiscatory tax rates. its like claiming the A student at state U was GIVEN those grades over the flunk out or the barely passing student
    Except YOU literally do this.
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    How so? I saw it many a time when I was in college. Rich black kids goofing off because they knew they could get into top grad schools with much lower GPAs then us white boys. The black guys who made top grades were respected by everyone except the goof offs who called them "uncle tom's or "acting white"
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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, there's not. with them, increased productivity happens. without them, it doesn't.
    I disagree. If they weren't there, someone else would take their place. There is nothing special about them. Its the resource they control that's important.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    do i really have to do this?

    Mega, how does one make money. ? specifically, how does one generate profit?
    Multiple ways. One can become wealthy by being born with advantages, winning the lottery, winning a lawsuit, being successful in a business, etc.

    However, you are ignoring a very important point. Society is far more than economics. There are cultural, socialist, artistic, familial, leadership, political, moral, and probably other influences that build our society as well. By only talking about wealth, you are not giving the full picture of what I am talking about. So, you can argue economics all you want, but it really doesn't mean much as everything works to set the stage where people can prosper in this society.
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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Adam Smith, who wrote in The Wealth of Nations:
    The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am a part of an advanced society and I help to maintain that society. The existence of this advanced society created the situation that allowed you to make that dollar. Therefore I am at least partially responsible for you earning it.
    that is the most out there statement I have ever heard... 'I exist, therefore you owe me' is essentially what you just said.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I'm no expert, but from everything I've read, a flat tax system seems fair, and should not adversly affect tax revenue.

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    I'm against a flat tax. A national sales tax simply won't raise enough tax revenue needed to pay for all the government expenditures required of the United States as a world superpower.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm against a flat tax. A national sales tax simply won't raise enough tax revenue needed to pay for all the government expenditures required of the United States as a world superpower.
    Have you checked the budget of the United States to verify that statement? How much of the 3.8 trillion dollar 2010 budget was defense to pay for the "expenditures required of the United States as a world superpower?"

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you checked the budget of the United States to verify that statement? How much of the 3.8 trillion dollar 2010 budget was defense to pay for the "expenditures required of the United States as a world superpower?"
    I didn't mean just defense spending. I also meant health care spending, infrastructure spending, spending on education at the elementary, high school, and collegel and university levels, spending for business inititatives, spending for scientific research, spending on farm subsidies, and that doesn't include law enforcement on the federal level either.

    There's more to being a superpower than just having a strong military.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post

    There's more to being a superpower than just having a strong military.
    I think the Taliban has taught us that.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I didn't mean just defense spending. I also meant health care spending, infrastructure spending, spending on education at the elementary, high school, and collegel and university levels, spending for business inititatives, spending for scientific research, spending on farm subsidies, and that doesn't include law enforcement on the federal level either.

    There's more to being a superpower than just having a strong military.
    How much of what you listed here is state, local, or private business responsibility? you think funding healthcare is a Federal taxpayer responsibility or a local and state responsibility? How about education, aren't schools funded by local property taxes and not federal income taxes? Much of what you have listed really has nothing to do with being a world super power as we have been a world super power for decades now without most of what you have listed.

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