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Thread: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Boo... interesting read.

    Did you check out this part of my link? I'm still going over it myself, but it's pretty interesting.
    It was an interesting read. I will continue to keep an open mind at this point. I suspect both sides will make this claim:

    As with any simulation exercise, our results must be regarded with some caution. However, sensitivity tests indicate that our results are robust. This in turn suggests that many of the fears expressed about a flat tax are unwarranted.


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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    true. i would support no taxes on income up to the poverty line, but a flat tax after that. this way, everyone has skin in the game; i also find it to be more fair than a tax system that punishes you for doing good (intentionally did not use the word 'well').

    a flat tax, furthermore, would provide a powerful boost to economic growth; which would help the poor far more than a progressive tax structure does.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support a flat tax, it's the most fair. Rich people shouldn't have to pay a higher percentage simply because they have more.
    Isn't it amazing that the Bush tax cuts are demonized as a tax cut for the rich yet under the Bush tax cuts 47% of the workers in this country don't pay any Federal Income Taxes as a result of those Bush tax cuts. Further it is reported by the IRS that tax revenue from the rich has risen as a result of the Bush tax cuts. Liberals seem to have a problem with actual facts. Still support the flat tax and everyone should pay something.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Adam Smith, who wrote in The Wealth of Nations:
    The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

    Progressive tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    so what-he has an opinion

    the people who founded a nation that became the greatest in the world were against it/

    their concept actually worked

    I note the envious and class warfare types never address my point about the extra-constitutional power that a progressive tax gives congress and how a progressive tax means your vote can be bought by promses that what you want will be paid for by increasing the tax on others



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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    As long as that contribution is 'voluntary', and not 'legally mandated', I agree. It should be (and usually is) my personal choice to help others either financially, physically, spiritually or emotionally. It should not be 'required by law' that I do so.

    Helping others is a moral issue, and we as a country generally fail when we try to legislate morallity.
    Taxes are mandated and Adam Smith was talking about taxes, not charity.


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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what-he has an opinion

    the people who founded a nation that became the greatest in the world were against it/

    their concept actually worked

    I note the envious and class warfare types never address my point about the extra-constitutional power that a progressive tax gives congress and how a progressive tax means your vote can be bought by promses that what you want will be paid for by increasing the tax on others
    This is another one of my problems with the current progressive tax system.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what-he has an opinion

    the people who founded a nation that became the greatest in the world were against it/
    Oh, really? Where in the Constitution does it say that?


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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Taxes are mandated and Adam Smith was talking about taxes, not charity.
    Really? That went completely over my head...
    I understand he's talking about taxes.

    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    My comment was that I agreed that the rich should help the poor... but it should not be mandated in the form of taxes. If I want to help the poor, I will, don't FORCE me to do so by taxing me to do it.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    This is another one of my problems with the current progressive tax system.
    But that can be done with anything really. In our system, candidates have to make promises. We really don't ask them give anything like a job interview. We ask, what's in it for me? Pork, for example, gets a bad name, but see what happens to a congressman who doesn't provide some for his state.

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    Re: Flat tax or progressive tax? Which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    This is another one of my problems with the current progressive tax system.
    its my major one for the following reasons

    1) if people are led to believe that others will pay for what they want, they have no incentive to vote against those who make them such promises

    2) sooner or later the public teat runs dry and millions will be unable to survive without their daily sucklings


    3) its malignant-progressive taxation creates and expands those who vote for the pandering politicians

    4) it punishes hard work and success and creates a mentality among the underachievers that achievement is bad or that somehow underachievers deserve a part of what the achievers accomplish



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