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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There are numerous examples of immoral companies that have not only been defended in their immorality but have also gotten away with it. Heck, look at the thread about cell phone companies charging people crazy rates for overages.
    It's obviously not that big of a deal as people stay with those companies. But remember that the cell phone industry isn't exactly a capitalist market. There are interventions all over the place there.

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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's obviously not that big of a deal as people stay with those companies.
    They have no choice, cell phones have pretty much become necessary for a huge number of people due to social expectation. They are compelled to for that reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But remember that the cell phone industry isn't exactly a capitalist market. There are interventions all over the place there.
    I don't see how this is relevant, it would be like arguing against police because criminals are going to commit crime anyway.
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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They have no choice, cell phones have pretty much become necessary for a huge number of people due to social expectation. They are compelled to for that reason.
    I can't switch companies?

    I don't see how this is relevant, it would be like arguing against police because criminals are going to commit crime anyway.
    The relevance is in entering the market. It's kind of hard for new companies to do so because of all the red tape involved, no? That kind of situation where governments make it hard to enter is ripe for collusion. Though that collusion wouldn't last as one company would make a lot of money by breaking the deal. Hence my conclusion that it really isn't all that big of a deal.
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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I can't switch companies?
    All companies do it.

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    The relevance is in entering the market. It's kind of hard for new companies to do so because of all the red tape involved, no?
    Wireless spectrum is finite, there are barriers anyway.

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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    All companies do it.
    Why? Because people don't leave specifically for that reason? They're more concerned about rates and coverage.

    Wireless spectrum is finite, there are barriers anyway.
    Sure it's infinite, but you can't just broadcast as you will.

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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why? Because people don't leave specifically for that reason? They're more concerned about rates and coverage.
    Because they can, since they do it because they can, they are inherently immoral.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Sure it's infinite, but you can't just broadcast as you will.
    If its used that way, nobody gets to use it. Its finite if we ever expect to make use of it.

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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Because they can, since they do it because they can, they are inherently immoral.
    But competition would take care of it, so why isn't it in this case? Because it's not that big of a deal to people.

    If its used that way, nobody gets to use it. Its finite if we ever expect to make use of it.
    I know that's how it is, I'm just saying that maybe it's a little too restrictive. This link seems to show a step in the right direction, though.

    Obama calls for dramatic expansion of wireless spectrum

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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But competition would take care of it, so why isn't it in this case? Because it's not that big of a deal to people.
    Nope, because they pretty much have to have a cell phone these days to participate fully in society and all carriers are the same. People are screwed no matter what they do, so they deal with it as best they can. We have to accept being taken advantage of in order to have a job (which often requires a cell phone, more so every day), have emergency services (which is seriously helped by having a cell phone), and other things.
    The imposed requirements by numerous private organizations can have just as much burden on a person as legal requirements if those requirements are necessary to be a full member of society.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I know that's how it is, I'm just saying that maybe it's a little too restrictive. This link seems to show a step in the right direction, though.

    Obama calls for dramatic expansion of wireless spectrum
    Yes, the more spectrum we can free up, the better. There are some new broadcast technologies in the works that are much more efficient as well.
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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Nope, because they pretty much have to have a cell phone these days to participate fully in society and all carriers are the same. People are screwed no matter what they do, so they deal with it as best they can.
    So you would think that one company would make a lot of money by lowering those fees because they would get all the business. Explain why this hasn't happened then? What solution is better than "it just isn't a big deal to people?"

    Yes, the more spectrum we can free up, the better. There are some new broadcast technologies in the works that are much more efficient as well.
    Here is Motorola's CEO talking about the problem and how it limits competition.

    Tech leaders call for new uses of US radio spectrum | Networking - InfoWorld

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    Re: Is the Rent Too Damn High?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So you would think that one company would make a lot of money by lowering those fees because they would get all the business. Explain why this hasn't happened then? What solution is better than "it just isn't a big deal to people?"
    I am not talking about prices, I am talking about overages, which are immoral. Just because its a burden we can deal with doesn't mean its good or fair. Also, I have already explained why people are forced to deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Here is Motorola's CEO talking about the problem and how it limits competition.

    Tech leaders call for new uses of US radio spectrum | Networking - InfoWorld
    Motorola is an equipment maker and its in the interest of the company to have more of a market to sell to. I take that video with a grain of salt knowing what their interests are. They are not a neutral party.

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