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    Loyalty or Honour?

    Hey all,

    A very simple question, but a very difficult answer, I find.

    There's no long backstory, just, simply, in your eyes, which is better, loyalty, or honour?

    Honour is doing the right thing, no matter what.

    Loyalty is supporting those you love, no matter what.

    In a perfect world, one can be honourable and also loyal. But many times, this is not the case. So, which is the greater good, to you?

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    I accidentally voted loyalty by my definition. By your definition I would vote honor.
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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I accidentally voted loyalty by my definition. By your definition I would vote honor.
    Eh, I'll cast my vote in on the other side, to help even it out.

    What's your definition of honour? And loyalty?

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Honor does not mean doing the right thing no matter what as what is right is subjective to your own standards of honor. What you're doing might be right but it won't be honorable. Example, I find it honorable to back one's friends in all reasonable matters. Doing other than that seems to me to be highly dishonorable. I believe standing by one's friends through thick and thin is honorable yet I would report my best friends to police officers if it involved an extreme circumstance. Let's say an extreme circumstance presents itself and I see a need to report my best friend to the police. Am I behaving honorably? No. But I am doing what is considering to be right by society. So what is right? Is it what society thinks is right? Or is it what we ourselves have decreed through our experiences to be right? Loyalty in turn is not supporting those you love no matter what. I'm loyal to my wife. Yet if I found out she was hiding bodies in our garage I'd just as easily report her to the police. This is because I would find her actions to be not only wrong but dishonorable.

    En tout cas, neither is better than the other. A person that seeks to live an honorable life must question just how far their loyalties go. Is your loyalty blind? Or does it have boundaries which can be violated? Does your honor mean more to you than what is right or wrong? The answer is balance. Balance.
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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Loyalty is honourable.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Honor does not mean doing the right thing no matter what as what is right is subjective to your own standards of honor. What you're doing might be right but it won't be honorable. Example, I find it honorable to back one's friends in all reasonable matters. Doing other than that seems to me to be highly dishonorable. I believe standing by one's friends through thick and thin is honorable yet I would report my best friends to police officers if it involved an extreme circumstance. Let's say an extreme circumstance presents itself and I see a need to report my best friend to the police. Am I behaving honorably? No. But I am doing what is considering to be right by society. So what is right? Is it what society thinks is right? Or is it what we ourselves have decreed through our experiences to be right? Loyalty in turn is not supporting those you love no matter what. I'm loyal to my wife. Yet if I found out she was hiding bodies in our garage I'd just as easily report her to the police. This is because I would find her actions to be not only wrong but dishonorable.

    En tout cas, neither is better than the other. A person that seeks to live an honorable life must question just how far their loyalties go. Is your loyalty blind? Or does it have boundaries which can be violated? Does your honor mean more to you than what is right or wrong? The answer is balance. Balance.
    Very well thought out sensible post very good points.

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    Loyalty is honourable.
    Yes it is, a agree, but as Hatuey so eloquently stated loyalty has it's limits.

    Both good points.

    I could not decide which is of most important so I did not vote. The topic is food for thought.

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    By the definitions in the OP, I would choose honor every time.

    Standing by your friends no matter what can actually be bad if your friends are wrong in their actions, opinions, or approach to something. It is better to do the right thing, even if it means you have to have a drug intervention for example.

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    If I have to subvert conscience to keep a friend, that friend is no real friend of mine.

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Honor does not mean doing the right thing no matter what as what is right is subjective to your own standards of honor. What you're doing might be right but it won't be honorable. Example, I find it honorable to back one's friends in all reasonable matters. Doing other than that seems to me to be highly dishonorable. I believe standing by one's friends through thick and thin is honorable yet I would report my best friends to police officers if it involved an extreme circumstance. Let's say an extreme circumstance presents itself and I see a need to report my best friend to the police. Am I behaving honorably? No. But I am doing what is considering to be right by society. So what is right? Is it what society thinks is right? Or is it what we ourselves have decreed through our experiences to be right? Loyalty in turn is not supporting those you love no matter what. I'm loyal to my wife. Yet if I found out she was hiding bodies in our garage I'd just as easily report her to the police. This is because I would find her actions to be not only wrong but dishonorable.

    En tout cas, neither is better than the other. A person that seeks to live an honorable life must question just how far their loyalties go. Is your loyalty blind? Or does it have boundaries which can be violated? Does your honor mean more to you than what is right or wrong? The answer is balance. Balance.
    So basically, the poll is flawed.
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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So basically, the poll is flawed.
    No. You can still ask which one is better. I just don't believe one is better than the other. Do you?
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