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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Loyalty can be blind. It is much more 2 dimensional than honor IMHO.

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Hey all,

    A very simple question, but a very difficult answer, I find.

    There's no long backstory, just, simply, in your eyes, which is better, loyalty, or honour?

    Honour is doing the right thing, no matter what.

    Loyalty is supporting those you love, no matter what.

    In a perfect world, one can be honourable and also loyal. But many times, this is not the case. So, which is the greater good, to you?
    Honor in all things, imo. Very rarely is honor in conflict with loyalty.

    In some of these painted scenerios, bodies in the garage, e.g., it is possible to act with honor and loyalty even then. Honor would require me to report my husband. Loyalty would require me to stand at his side as he faced the consequences of his actions.
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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    The definitions of Honor and Loyalty in the OP are fictional definitions for these words. They don't mean those things.

    The definition provided for Loyalty resembles a real definition but is not quite accurate, but the definition provided for "honor" doesn't even remotely resemble any actual definition for the word.

    Using the real definitions of these words, it become impossible to answer the question because they are intertwined concepts.
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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Hrrm....

    honor |ˈšnər| ( Brit. honour)
    noun
    1 high respect; esteem : his portrait hangs in the place of honor.
    • [in sing. ] a person or thing that brings credit : you are an honor to our profession.
    • adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct : I must as a matter of honor avoid any taint of dishonesty.

    loyalty |ˈloiəltē|
    noun ( pl. -ties)
    the quality of being loyal to someone or something : her loyalty to her husband of 34 years.
    • (often loyalties) a strong feeling of support or allegiance : fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties.

    ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French, via Old French loial from Latin legalis (see legal ).

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The definitions of Honor and Loyalty in the OP are fictional definitions for these words. They don't mean those things.

    The definition provided for Loyalty resembles a real definition but is not quite accurate, but the definition provided for "honor" doesn't even remotely resemble any actual definition for the word.

    Using the real definitions of these words, it become impossible to answer the question because they are intertwined concepts.
    I have always seen the classic definition of honor to be more about pride than anything else. As in "you have insulted my honor sir, pistols at dawn?"

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have always seen the classic definition of honor to be more about pride than anything else. As in "you have insulted my honor sir, pistols at dawn?"
    I see it as a code of conduct accessory to intuition and social...ness.

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Hrrm....

    honor |ˈšnər| ( Brit. honour)
    noun
    1 high respect; esteem : his portrait hangs in the place of honor.
    • [in sing. ] a person or thing that brings credit : you are an honor to our profession.
    • adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct : I must as a matter of honor avoid any taint of dishonesty.

    loyalty |ˈloiəltē|
    noun ( pl. -ties)
    the quality of being loyal to someone or something : her loyalty to her husband of 34 years.
    • (often loyalties) a strong feeling of support or allegiance : fights with in-laws are distressing because they cause divided loyalties.

    ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French, via Old French loial from Latin legalis (see legal ).

    ...hrrmmm
    Those definitions don't include "no matter what" in them.

    Plus the dictionaries I looked at did not include the third definition of "honor" that the one you are citing does, but, I stand corrected in that it does resemble a real definition.
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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    There Is a Heavy Overlap in such a question. An Honorable Honest person can be utterly Loyal most of the time and a Loyal person is more often than not Honorable.

    If you knew there was a Warrant for a Friend's Arrest issued - would you quietly contact him in advance about it even if you knew the charge was deserved. Personally I would, just so he'd be prepared - not be Blind sided , but others wouldn't OR wouldn't risk their Jobs if the matter was Emplyment related.

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Hey all,

    I understand that we all have differing ideas of what "honour" and "loyalty" mean and represent -- so, I suppose I should say, given those definitions, which do you choose? Or, even better, of those two concepts (because honour and loyalty are really just meaningless titles), which do you choose?

    Furthermore, I agree, they can often overlap. But when the overlap ends, which do you choose?

    To answer one post in specific, I think that there are, of course, situations in which loyalty can be good for the person you're loyal to, and bad for the person you're loyal to. I don't think anyone here is so blind as to think these terms are absolutes. But the example that one person posted, about a friend who needed a drug intervention -- come on. That's an easy one. That's too every-day, that's too forced. I'm talking about the rarity situations where you're forced to choose between the two terms -- a brother kills a man, and you agree that it was a just action, but it was also in cold blood, do you help him? Such situations, I find, are much harder to deal with.


    However, to use another example, I admit that, were I to find bodies in our garage, I wouldn't report it to the police -- I'd help my wife get rid of them. But, also, if she were a drug addict, I'd not hesitate in getting her help, as opposed to "being loyal" and feeding her addiction. It's a gray line, of course, and it's blurry -- and perhaps it's not even a straight line. But I'm merely asking, in those situations that are really on the line, on the fence -- which concept, which trait, do you 'believe in' more?

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    Re: Loyalty or Honour?

    Loyalty, its easier to do, easier to define, and pays off more in the end.

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