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Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

Does water have a taste?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 68.0%

  • No

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • Total voters
    25
Hatuey said:
No. It doesn't. It contains the molecules H2O. Nothing else. If it contains something else, it's water AND something else.
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well, you got me. but where on earth do we find water that occurs naturally that is without other ingredients?
 
jamesrage said:
When you consider the fact that religion does not require a belief in a divine or supreme being then atheism can be a religion.

Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic . religious rites.
8.
Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
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Can you explain the 'atheist' belief concerning the nature of the universe? What about the fundamental set of beliefs and practices of atheism? How does show 'devotion' to atheism? You're grasping at straws.
 
liblady said:
nope.......unless our atmosphere was completely neutral.
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Hmmm, for all intents it's pretty much clean water.
Usually "tasteless."

I think water only has a "taste" is because we need it so much.
Our brains have tricked us into the liking it so much by adding a satisfaction level to drinking it.
 
Hatuey said:
If claiming that disbelief is in fact a belief then one could claim that no taste is in fact a taste of its own. So, does water have a taste?
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Water tastes like ions. Unless you go with dionized water. Though some believe that drinking dionized water is bad for you.
 
liblady said:
well, you got me. but where on earth do we find water that occurs naturally that is without other ingredients?
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That is irrelevant. The question whether one can actually taste water. There is no evidence that one can. One can taste minerals etc. You can't taste water.
 
Hatuey said:
That is irrelevant. The question whether one can actually taste water. There is no evidence that one can. One can taste minerals etc. You can't taste water.
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don't tell me what i can't taste. ;-)
 
liblady said:
well, you got me. but where on earth do we find water that occurs naturally that is without other ingredients?
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There's no natural source of "pure water" in that regards. Distilling and dionization are human techniques. Dionized water is super super pure water. It's absolutely nothing but molecular water. Distilled water gets rid of other impurities. But pure water in and of itself is a very aggressive solvant and thus even if there was a natural source for it; it wouldn't remain pure for long.
 
If atheism is a religion then so is not believing in santa or the toothfairy, leprechauns, the loch ness monster, and bigfoot.

We would apparently have a ****load of religions out there that we didn't know about. :lol:

jamesrage said:
When you consider the fact that religion does not require a belief in a divine or supreme being then atheism can be a religion.


Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic . religious rites.
8.
Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
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Atheism has no belief. It's a lack of belief. There is no "set of beliefs" or "practices"
 
liblady said:
well, you got me. but where on earth do we find water that occurs naturally that is without other ingredients?
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naturally, there is not really any pure water to be found, even rain water is not pure, raindrops form by water molecules condensing around dust particles. Spring water has been filtered and purified by percolating through rock sediment, it is typically devoid of organics, but it inherits minerals and ions from the sediments it seeps through which imparts flavor.

Pure water is a result of human processes, A good RO/DI (reverse osmosis/de-ionization) system can produce water that is 99.99%+ pure. Water this pure is flavorless, which is unappealing in its blandness. I use RO/Di for aquarium usage, and chemical testing, my drinking water comes from the same filtration system, but is not ran through the final polishing stages, I remove 98 - 99% of the contaminants, but I leave something in there to at least keep some taste to it.
 
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rivrrat said:
If atheism is a religion then so is not believing in santa or the toothfairy, leprechauns, the loch ness monster, and bigfoot.
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Incorrect. In each of those things you are speaking about a SPECIFIC thing...Santa Claus, Toothfairies, etc. Specific individual things can be directly proven. For example, with a toothfairy we can note that there's never been a case of a tooth legitimately vanishing from under a pillow and having money. We can trace back likely specifically to the original creations of it as a fake thing, etc.

However, a belief that "supernatural beings do not exist" as a broad thing would be a belief. There ARE supernatural instances and issues that haven't been fully explained away or unquestionably proven false, however having faith that they're all explainable due to natural law is still a belief. Its you believing something despite there being no concrete definitive answers.

Atheism has no belief. It's a lack of belief. There is no "set of beliefs" or "practices"
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Yes it does, its the belief that there is no possible way anything can exist outside of natural laws. Its the belief that the universe is completely lawful, without any elements of chaos that potentially can act outside of natural law and thus are supernatural. It is the belief that even though there are NUMEROUS things we have absolutely no way to distinctly prove beyond a reasonable doubt that those things are still natural and follow natural laws and can be explained through science even if we're not able to yet.

Arguing Athiesm isn't a religion is one thing, and I'd agree there. But it most certainly IS belief of faith. It is NOT the absence of belief. The closest to that is an agnostic. Athiests fully believe that a diety or the supernatural simply is impossible and untrue. That is a belief. Agnostics don't believe that there is or isn't something supernatural, they just think its unknowable so don't bother themselves with it either way. THAT is the closest to an absense of belief, not athiesm. Placing ones firm ground in a particular unknown is faith.
 
rivrrat said:
If atheism is a religion then so is not believing in santa or the toothfairy, leprechauns, the loch ness monster, and bigfoot.

We would apparently have a ****load of religions out there that we didn't know about. :lol:



Atheism has no belief. It's a lack of belief. There is no "set of beliefs" or "practices"
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I am a staunch anti-leprechaunist myself.
 
marduc said:
I am a staunch anti-leprechaunist myself.
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So you discriminate against mythical creatures? The Outrage!!!! Harry Potter will hear of this sir! <stomps off>
 
Zyphlin said:
Incorrect. In each of those things you are speaking about a SPECIFIC thing...Santa Claus, Toothfairies, etc. Specific individual things can be directly proven. For example, with a toothfairy we can note that there's never been a case of a tooth legitimately vanishing from under a pillow and having money. We can trace back likely specifically to the original creations of it as a fake thing, etc.
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And I am saying the same with regards to Poseidon, Zeus, Allah, and Jehovah.

However, a belief that "supernatural beings do not exist" as a broad thing would be a belief. There ARE supernatural instances and issues that haven't been fully explained away or unquestionably proven false, however having faith that they're all explainable due to natural law is still a belief. Its you believing something despite there being no concrete definitive answers.
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My atheism has nothing to do with "supernatural". I don't "believe in something despite there being no concrete definitiive answers".

Yes it does, its the belief that there is no possible way anything can exist outside of natural laws.
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No, it's not. It's the lack of belief of an invisible man in the sky orchestrating our lives.

Its the belief that the universe is completely lawful, without any elements of chaos that potentially can act outside of natural law and thus are supernatural.
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Incorrect. Though, IMO, anything that happens is natural. Which is why I reject words such a "supernatural" and "natural". They make no sense logically. If there were a god, it would most assuredly be "natural".

It is the belief that even though there are NUMEROUS things we have absolutely no way to distinctly prove beyond a reasonable doubt that those things are still natural and follow natural laws and can be explained through science even if we're not able to yet.
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No, it's the lack of belief in an invisible man in the sky who shoots lighting bolts out of his ass.

Arguing Athiesm isn't a religion is one thing, and I'd agree there. But it most certainly IS belief of faith.
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No, there is no belief.

It is NOT the absence of belief.
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Yes, it is.

The closest to that is an agnostic. Athiests fully believe that a diety or the supernatural simply is impossible and untrue.
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Incorrect. We simply lack belief in them. Much like I lack belief in fairies. I don't "believe fairies are simply impossible and untrue", I just don't believe in them.

That is a belief. Agnostics don't believe that there is or isn't something supernatural, they just think its unknowable so don't bother themselves with it either way. THAT is the closest to an absense of belief, not athiesm. Placing ones firm ground in a particular unknown is faith.
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Agnostics think it's unknowable, Atheist simply lack belief.
 
Zyphlin said:
Athiests fully believe that a diety or the supernatural simply is impossible and untrue.
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That's one flavor of atheism. However, many atheists believe that the existence of a deity or the supernatural is highly improbable and will not believe in it unless there is hard evidence shown to prove its existence.
 
See, I think the funny thing here is that the athiests, especially the militant types, have so insulted, derided, and chastised the notion of "belief" that its gotten to the point that they can't dare allow themselves to be considered a belief even though they are because then that would apply their insults to themselves. They've attempted to contort and twist a word so much in the process of their non-stop evangelizing of the horrors and evils and idiocy and bigotry and lunacy and vileness of that horrible notion of "religion" and "belief" that they didn't stop to think that "belief" is a rather wide ranging word.
 
I think there is generally confusion in discussions of atheism because of how the opposing sides defines atheism, for most atheists it is not an absolute "there is no ultimate power", it is merely a default stance in the absence of evidence
 
Zyphlin said:
See, I think the funny thing here is that the athiests, especially the militant types, have so insulted, derided, and chastised the notion of "belief" that its gotten to the point that they can't dare allow themselves to be considered a belief even though they are because then that would apply their insults to themselves. They've attempted to contort and twist a word so much in the process of their non-stop evangelizing of the horrors and evils and idiocy and bigotry and lunacy and vileness of that horrible notion of "religion" and "belief" that they didn't stop to think that "belief" is a rather wide ranging word.
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I think this is over simplified generalization and inaccurate as to why many would argue against atheism being a belief.
 
Zyphlin said:
See, I think the funny thing here is that the athiests, especially the militant types, have so insulted, derided, and chastised the notion of "belief" that its gotten to the point that they can't dare allow themselves to be considered a belief even though they are because then that would apply their insults to themselves. They've attempted to contort and twist a word so much in the process of their non-stop evangelizing of the horrors and evils and idiocy and bigotry and lunacy and vileness of that horrible notion of "religion" and "belief" that they didn't stop to think that "belief" is a rather wide ranging word.
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This doesn't compute.
 
marduc said:
All kool-aid is evil
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rivrrat said:
And I am saying the same with regards to Poseidon, Zeus, Allah, and Jehovah.
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So you're saying that athiesm is the denial of a "god" not necessarily of the divine?

My atheism has nothing to do with "supernatural". I don't "believe in something despite there being no concrete definitiive answers".
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So you have belief that unless something can be proven it doesn't exist. Or more, that everything that exists can be proven to.

No, it's not. It's the lack of belief of an invisible man in the sky orchestrating our lives.
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Oh look, I'm amazed, a self proclaimed athiest immedietely reverting to condenscention. I'm shocked, shocked I say.

Wow, didn't realize all religions believed that a "man in the sky" is "orchestrating our lives".

Incorrect. Though, IMO, anything that happens is natural. Which is why I reject words such a "supernatural" and "natural". They make no sense logically. If there were a god, it would most assuredly be "natural".
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natrual suggests something that follows natural laws. Something that violates natural laws would then be unnatural or supernatural.

No, it's the lack of belief in an invisible man in the sky who shoots lighting bolts out of his ass.
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Yay, more athiest sarcasm and belittling. I love that all the traits that I hate in evangelical religious people are right there in the militant athiests as well...amaizng that.


Incorrect. We simply lack belief in them. Much like I lack belief in fairies. I don't "believe fairies are simply impossible and untrue", I just don't believe in them.
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And that in and of itself is belief. To believe that something does not exist is a belief.

You're not saying "I don't think gods exist because they've not been proven to me" you're going "Gods don't exist".


Agnostics think it's unknowable, Atheist simply lack belief.
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Agnostics simply lack belief in whether or not its there, they hold no belief in either way. Athiests BELIEVE that they do not exist.
 
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marduc said:
I think there is generally confusion in discussions of atheism because of how the opposing sides defines atheism, for most atheists it is not an absolute "there is no ultimate power", it is merely a default stance in the absence of evidence
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Possibly because so many athiests go "There is no god" not "There may be a god/something divine, but until I have proof I don't think there is".

I've rarely seen any athiest who routinely acknowledges that there's the potential that such exists but we don't have proof yet and thus that's why they don't think there is. Its almost always simply stated as an absolute, unquestionable fact, usually with uppity sarcastic condenscending tones and insults.
 
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