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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post



    Atheism has no belief. It's a lack of belief.
    Again religion is not necessarily about belief in a supreme being.

    There is no "set of beliefs" or "practices"
    You believe in evolution, the big bang theory and that God does does not exist?
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again religion is not necessarily about belief in a supreme being.


    You believe in evolution, the big bang theory and that God does does not exist?
    Atheists lack the belief that a personal god exists. They may or may not believe in evolution, or the big bang. Even if they did both, that's hardly a "set of beliefs or practices" There are as many atheist beliefs as there are atheists.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You believe in evolution, the big bang theory and that God does does not exist?
    Belief in evolution is not required to be an athiest, nor is it unique to athiests. Its completely possible for religious people to believe in evolution.

    Similarly the big bang theory isn't necessarily required to be believed for someone to be athiest.

    Athiesm in and of itself doesn't pass the muster for a "religion"

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you're saying that athiesm is the denial of a "god" not necessarily of the divine?
    Everyone is atheist regarding *some* deity. I just haven't found any evidence for the existance of any deity, fairies, or leprechauns.


    So you have belief that unless something can be proven it doesn't exist.
    Dear ****ing god, no. That's completely illogical. I can't even believe that you even typed those words and attributed something so completely nonsensical to me. As if I think I am so powerful that my mere belief in something causes it to exist? As if.

    I simply do not believe without some evidence as a basis. Whether or not it exists is a different matter altogether and completely independent of my belief one way or another.

    Or more, that everything that exists can be proven to.
    Not necessarily, no. Only that I cannot make myself believe in something without some evidence as a basis for that belief.


    Oh look, I'm amazed, a self proclaimed athiest immedietely reverting to condenscention. I'm shocked, shocked I say.

    Wow, didn't realize all religions believed that a "man in the sky" is "orchestrating our lives".
    I wasn't aware there were any that didn't. Except for some Buddhists. Even they believe in a "power" that does the orchestrating, they just don't consider it a divine entity.

    natrual suggests something that follows natural laws. Something that violates natural laws would then be unnatural or supernatural.
    No, we consider things unnatural when we cannot explain them with our current knowledge. I argue that EVERYTHING is natural. Just because we lack the means to explain it doesn't make it "supernatural".

    Yay, more athiest sarcasm and belittling. I love that all the traits that I hate in evangelical religious people are right there in the militant athiests as well...amaizng that.
    Actually, it was a reference to Die Hard with a Vengeance. But whatever. (I actually got it a bit wrong anyway, since it's actually "shove a lighting bolt up your ass") But hey, typical "believer" who lacks a sense of humor.

    Oh look! More generalizations!


    And that in and of itself is belief. To believe that something does not exist is a belief.
    But I don't believe they do not exist.

    You're not saying "I don't think gods exist because they've not been proven to me" you're going "Gods don't exist".
    No, I'm not saying the latter at all. I'm saying I don't believe in any gods because I see no evidence of them. In no way am I saying "gods don't exist". Simply, "I lack belief in gods, goddesses, fairies, and leprechauns". And I will contiue to lack belief in all of those things (and more, like unicorns, dragons, and spaghetti monsters) until I am given evidence of their existence.



    Agnostics simply lack belief in whether or not its there, they hold no belief in either way. Athiests BELIEVE that they do not exist.
    Wrong, we simply do not believe they do.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again religion is not necessarily about belief in a supreme being.


    You believe in evolution, the big bang theory and that God does does not exist?
    I see evidence of evolution. That it happens is indisputable.
    The big bang theory... meh.
    I lack belief in any god or goddess. They may well exist, but until they have given me a reason to believe, I will continue to lack belief.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Possibly because so many athiests go "There is no god" not "There may be a god/something divine, but until I have proof I don't think there is".
    The reason atheists don't say things like ""There may be a god/something divine, but until I have proof I don't think there is," is because that is what agnostics say/believe.

    Atheist =/= Agnostic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I've rarely seen any athiest who routinely acknowledges that there's the potential that such exists but we don't have proof yet and thus that's why they don't think there is.
    The reason you haven't come across atheists who "routinely acknowledge that there's the potential that such exists but we don't have proof yet and thus that's why they don't think there is," is because that is what agnostics say/believe.

    Atheist =/= Agnostic.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    SO you believe there to be no god.


    thanks


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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    SO you believe there to be no god.


    thanks


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    No, I lack belief in any god, goddess, fairy, bigfoots (or are they bigfeet? ), santas, leprechauns, little green men, titans, creatures of the abyss, vampires, werewolves.

    They all may well exist but I see no evidence of them so I simply do not believe.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The reason atheists don't say things like ""There may be a god/something divine, but until I have proof I don't think there is," is because that is what agnostics say/believe.

    Atheist =/= Agnostic.
    Thank you for proving my point Glinda. That's what I've been arguing the whole time. Athiests have belief, Agnostics are the closest to "no belief".

    The reason you haven't come across atheists who "routinely acknowledge that there's the potential that such exists but we don't have proof yet and thus that's why they don't think there is," is because that is what agnostics say/believe.
    Thanks, you're making my argument for me.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, I lack belief in any god, goddess, fairy, bigfoots (or are they bigfeet? ), santas, leprechauns, little green men, titans, creatures of the abyss, vampires, werewolves.

    They all may well exist but I see no evidence of them so I simply do not believe.
    I think he was talking about Glinda, not you. She basically took my post that was trying to clarify if you were saying unquestionably that gods don't exist or stating that you have never seen proof that gods exist and thus until such time that you don't think there are any but don't discount the possability, and proceeded to tell me what I was arguing originally. IE, that the former is athiesm and the later is agnostic.

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