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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Incorrect. It's taking what I know about science and believing what is plausible regarding something that no scientist has proven and can study. By your logic, is it not equally true for atheists to believe some kind of self propagation method for the creation of matter and energy?
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    Unfortunately science doesnt understand exactly how the universe came about, but you're still reverting to 'God' as an essential argument for things that are not explicable. Just because science doesnt know yet doesnt mean you need God to explain it.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    We can subscribe to a set of religious beliefs without accepting the "truth" of all those beliefs. I subscribe to a newspaper, but I don't believe all that is printed in it.
    The more I learn about science, the more I admire the complexity of life, the more I tend to beleive that there is some sort of supreme intelligence behind it all. At the same time, I acknowledge that it is very likely that we know only the smallest portion of what we consider knowledge. The rest is supposition, wishful thinking, whatever....
    I see GOOD religions as a useful tool to apply mankind's benevolence toward his fellow man...and it's "truth" doesn't have to be provable to be worth believing..
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    *ding*

    Unfortunately science doesnt understand exactly how the universe came about, but you're still reverting to 'God' as an essential argument for things that are not explicable. Just because science doesnt know yet doesnt mean you need God to explain it.
    No, we don't currently know exactly how the universe came about. We have some good ideas, some of which are testable and some of which are not. We may never know exactly because it's likely to be beyond our ability to study directly. One-time events cannot be replicated. However, many people are afraid of admitting that they don't know something so they just invent a comfortable solution to the problem, whether it has any evidence whatsoever to support it. Don't know how something happened? GODDIDIT! It's a nice, convenient placeholder explanation until we find the real solution. Of course, the people who hold these kinds of irrational beliefs to begin with will just move their GODDIDIT explanations elsewhere. Instead of admitting they were wrong and God didn't actually do it, or anything else, they just keep stuffing God into smaller and smaller holes and redefining God to make it harder and harder to disprove.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I see GOOD religions as a useful tool to apply mankind's benevolence toward his fellow man...and it's "truth" doesn't have to be provable to be worth believing..
    But how is that any better than having a cult of unicorn believers as a useful tool? Why not come up with a tool that does away with all the irrational magical thinking and simply allows people to be benevolent toward his fellow man? Or woman? Accepting a load of crap because it's got a few specks of diamond dust mixed in makes no sense. Get rid of the crap and keep the parts that actually work.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, we don't currently know exactly how the universe came about. We have some good ideas, some of which are testable and some of which are not. We may never know exactly because it's likely to be beyond our ability to study directly. One-time events cannot be replicated. However, many people are afraid of admitting that they don't know something so they just invent a comfortable solution to the problem, whether it has any evidence whatsoever to support it. Don't know how something happened? GODDIDIT! It's a nice, convenient placeholder explanation until we find the real solution. Of course, the people who hold these kinds of irrational beliefs to begin with will just move their GODDIDIT explanations elsewhere. Instead of admitting they were wrong and God didn't actually do it, or anything else, they just keep stuffing God into smaller and smaller holes and redefining God to make it harder and harder to disprove.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But how is that any better than having a cult of unicorn believers as a useful tool? Why not come up with a tool that does away with all the irrational magical thinking and simply allows people to be benevolent toward his fellow man? Or woman? Accepting a load of crap because it's got a few specks of diamond dust mixed in makes no sense. Get rid of the crap and keep the parts that actually work.
    What does it hurt to allow people to believe whatever it takes to remove fear of the unknown from their lives? Do you really want all the preachers to suddenly become unemployed? You know where they will go next, either politics or Wall Street...
    The tool you speak of would be magical itself, if you expect the natural man to be benevolent to others. We are born self centered and have to be taught to be otherwise.

    Ever see a mining operation that processes thousands of tons of dirt to extract a few ounces of a precious mineral?
    We do that because the mineral has value to us. The "diamond dust" has value to mankind. It might be based on wrong thinking, but we are all allowed wrong thinking as long as we don't use it to hurt others. IMO, the day that religions learn to turn inwards and work on their own perfection instead of messing with others will be a turning point in history. Until then, we are stuck with yet another form of agitation in our lives.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill
    What does it hurt to allow people to believe whatever it takes to remove fear of the unknown from their lives? Do you really want all the preachers to suddenly become unemployed? You know where they will go next, either politics or Wall Street...
    The tool you speak of would be magical itself, if you expect the natural man to be benevolent to others. We are born self centered and have to be taught to be otherwise.
    What does it hurt? It's useless for one, spending your life on your knees asking an imaginary friend to do things for you is pointless. You're much better served being on your feet doing things to correct your own life. It's like asking Santa Claus for a pony. No matter how many Santa's laps you sit on, you're almost certainly not getting a pony and if you do, it's certainly not coming from Santa.

    Further, religion can be extremely harmful, what about parents who would rather pray to God than take their kids to a doctor? You end up with a lot of dead kids that way, none of them have ever been demonstrably healed by any sky daddy. Like it or not, beliefs inform our actions, people act upon what they believe and when you believe in irrational things, you act irrationally. It sure wasn't atheists, acting on their lack of belief in god(s) that flew planes into the World Trade Center. When you believe crazy, irrational things, you're more likely to take crazy, irrational actions.

    Simply because it makes you feel good doesn't make a belief any more worthwhile. I'm sure racists feel good about their racism. Does that make racism a good thing? Certainly not. I'm sure the crazy guy who thinks he's Napoleon gets great emotional satisfaction out of believing that, he's still wrong. No matter how much emotional comfort you might get from a wrong belief, it doesn't stop it from being a wrong belief.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What does it hurt? It's useless for one, spending your life on your knees asking an imaginary friend to do things for you is pointless. You're much better served being on your feet doing things to correct your own life. It's like asking Santa Claus for a pony. No matter how many Santa's laps you sit on, you're almost certainly not getting a pony and if you do, it's certainly not coming from Santa.

    Further, religion can be extremely harmful, what about parents who would rather pray to God than take their kids to a doctor? You end up with a lot of dead kids that way, none of them have ever been demonstrably healed by any sky daddy. Like it or not, beliefs inform our actions, people act upon what they believe and when you believe in irrational things, you act irrationally. It sure wasn't atheists, acting on their lack of belief in god(s) that flew planes into the World Trade Center. When you believe crazy, irrational things, you're more likely to take crazy, irrational actions.

    Simply because it makes you feel good doesn't make a belief any more worthwhile. I'm sure racists feel good about their racism. Does that make racism a good thing? Certainly not. I'm sure the crazy guy who thinks he's Napoleon gets great emotional satisfaction out of believing that, he's still wrong. No matter how much emotional comfort you might get from a wrong belief, it doesn't stop it from being a wrong belief.
    do you realize that you sound like someone trying to convert others to his religion?
    Value of beliefs for others is not for any other person to decide. Why would you want to take away the pain medications for someone who really needs them? It is about the same thing.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Atheism is not a religion.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Atheism is not a religion.


    But it is a belief!
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