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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you explain the 'atheist' belief concerning the nature of the universe? What about the fundamental set of beliefs and practices of atheism? How does show 'devotion' to atheism? You're grasping at straws.
    Absolutely. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s), nothing more. It says nothing about the nature of the universe or anything else and there certainly are no practices of atheism. It's not just grasping at straws, it's a distinct lack of understanding of what atheism is.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Faith in what?
    Faith that God does not exist. It requires faith to deny that God exists without any proof.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If claiming that disbelief is in fact a belief then one could claim that no taste is in fact a taste of its own. So, does water have a taste?
    Fun thread!

    Atheism is a religion - depending on the definition of the word you use. A religion doesn't have to have a GOD being the center of it in order for it to be a belief of how we came to exist and so forth.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what is pure water? yes, it does have a taste. minerals.
    Laboratory quality distilled water, you know like out of your tap.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Incorrect. In each of those things you are speaking about a SPECIFIC thing...Santa Claus, Toothfairies, etc. Specific individual things can be directly proven. For example, with a toothfairy we can note that there's never been a case of a tooth legitimately vanishing from under a pillow and having money. We can trace back likely specifically to the original creations of it as a fake thing, etc.
    And we can note that there's never been a legitimate case of a god existing either. Zero objective evidence = zero belief.

    However, a belief that "supernatural beings do not exist" as a broad thing would be a belief. There ARE supernatural instances and issues that haven't been fully explained away or unquestionably proven false, however having faith that they're all explainable due to natural law is still a belief. Its you believing something despite there being no concrete definitive answers.
    Who says "supernatural beings do not exist"? There's no evidence for them, therefore we do not believe in them. The same goes for fairies, unicorns, Santa Claus and all the other mythical nonsense man has made up. Just what are these supernatural instances that haven't been explained away? I can't think of any. There are *CLAIMS* of supernatural instances, but they've never been supported with evidence and thus, at best, we can only say "we don't know" and go on about our business.

    Yes it does, its the belief that there is no possible way anything can exist outside of natural laws. Its the belief that the universe is completely lawful, without any elements of chaos that potentially can act outside of natural law and thus are supernatural. It is the belief that even though there are NUMEROUS things we have absolutely no way to distinctly prove beyond a reasonable doubt that those things are still natural and follow natural laws and can be explained through science even if we're not able to yet.
    It's not the belief in anything. It's the lack of belief in god(s) based on the complete and utter lack of anything even remotely resembling objective evidence for their actual existence. Full stop. Anything else you want to tack on isn't atheism, it's something else, in this case, naturalism.

    Arguing Athiesm isn't a religion is one thing, and I'd agree there. But it most certainly IS belief of faith. It is NOT the absence of belief. The closest to that is an agnostic. Athiests fully believe that a diety or the supernatural simply is impossible and untrue. That is a belief. Agnostics don't believe that there is or isn't something supernatural, they just think its unknowable so don't bother themselves with it either way. THAT is the closest to an absense of belief, not athiesm. Placing ones firm ground in a particular unknown is faith.
    Hardly, there's no belief or faith whatsoever involved. It's a matter of being entirely unconvinced of the claims of theists, nothing more. Want to convince us? Come up with evidence.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Absolutely. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s), nothing more. It says nothing about the nature of the universe or anything else and there certainly are no practices of atheism. It's not just grasping at straws, it's a distinct lack of understanding of what atheism is.
    Why do atheists make such a big deal out of religion? Why dont' they just ignore it?
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    See, I think the funny thing here is that the athiests, especially the militant types, have so insulted, derided, and chastised the notion of "belief" that its gotten to the point that they can't dare allow themselves to be considered a belief even though they are because then that would apply their insults to themselves. They've attempted to contort and twist a word so much in the process of their non-stop evangelizing of the horrors and evils and idiocy and bigotry and lunacy and vileness of that horrible notion of "religion" and "belief" that they didn't stop to think that "belief" is a rather wide ranging word.
    Because it isn't a belief, it doesn't fit the definition of belief. It's very simple. a-without, theos-belief in god(s). Do the Greek. What you're really looking for is anti-theists, not atheists.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why do atheists make such a big deal out of religion? Why dont' they just ignore it?
    Because of laws, bans, etc that are based soley on someone's religion. We *can't* ignore religion because the religious won't LET us. Some want it to permeate every aspect of our lives. Some want things like pre-marital sex banned again because it's against their religious values. I have no issue with "live and let live", it's the "other side" that has issues with that. And because of that, we cannot just ignore it.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why do atheists make such a big deal out of religion? Why dont' they just ignore it?
    Because it doesn't ignore them. Like it or not, we're living in a big theistic world and theists don't tend to keep it to themselves. They try to force it into the schools, into the political sphere, into the society at large. Want to be left alone? Leave everyone else alone! Until then, atheists have just as much right to speak out as anyone else does, and in case you haven't been paying attention, atheism is growing at a very, very fast rate.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Faith that God does not exist. It requires faith to deny that God exists without any proof.
    Why disprove something unproveable?
    I'm sorry, you have to prove the purple dragon exists. We don't have to prove that it doesn't.

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