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Thread: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Lets see if I can post this in the right spot now. Sorry about that Ikari!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    No, you said "Possibly because so many atheists go "There is no god" ". Your statement and my statement are very different. I said most atheists state that they do not believe in a god. That doesn't say "there is no god" it says that they do not believe in a god. See the difference?
    Is there a difference between stating "There is a god" and "I believe there is a god"?

    To me, I don't see much of a difference save for how you're stating it. One is stating your belief, one is stating your belief acknowledging its a belief.

    Yes, I can see why you could be disagreeing with my assessment of how I've seen athiests react usually and how I haven't because...from the implication I'm getting...you seem to think there's a difference in stating "there is no god" and stating " I do not believe there is a god". I don't see a difference between those statements, however I would see a large difference between them and "I believe its possible there's a god, but personally I don't think there is one because I haven't seen proof".

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why does it have to be natural?
    as opposed to what?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm just going to come down to this because really that's where the conflict is.

    No, I don't see a difference between "I believe there are no X" and "I do not believe in X". To me those are the same thing. To me that is the difference between going "0 - 1 = -1" and "0 + -1 = -1". In both cases your result is -1. In both cases, your stating a belief. Its just a change in how you're attempting to state it.
    I'll be honest with you. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to explain something so simplistic without coming across as being a totally condescending asswipe. I know you are smart enough to understand the difference between "I believe" and "I do not believe". I think you're just being deliberately obtuse.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as opposed to what?
    Beats me - you asked where pure water occurs naturally. Why does that matter?

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Beats me - you asked where pure water occurs naturally. Why does that matter?
    as far as atheism goes, it doesn't, i think.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    does the agnostic theist regularly go around proclaiming their doubts and screaming "there may be no god!!!!"?

    and it is not a belief that there is no god, there just is not reason to believe. This boils down to squabbling semantics and definitions, my lack of belief is NOT a belief.
    I know there's examples in this thread, but they generally didn't step forward until confronted.

    And no, generally thiests don't normally state that they think there may not be a god. And I generally don't assume that people who state that they believe in god actually believe that there may not be a god but they just think there is.

    And no, your lack of belief IS a belief because you come to a conclussion, that being not believing until such pont that its proven to you. You would only have no belief if you did not come down on either side of it stating that you think in any way one way or the other. Once you start leaning one way or the other that is having a belief in that direction.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Eeep, accident indeed. Let me go back in and change it back. I use Internet Explorer 6 at work because we're amazingly bassackwards and as such things can get extremely jumbled here. Sorry Ikari.
    It seemed that way given the context of the edit (that it was accidental). In the end, I think all this "belief" "not-belief" isn't very important. I'm an atheist. I see no evidence for gods anywhere. Given that it is well more likely that gods do not exist than exist and there is no evidence indicating the existence of a god(s), I do not believe in gods. Do you want to call that a positive belief structure? It's up to you, it doesn't functionally affect me or my reasons for why I self-identify as an atheist. I think there is resistance to the designation of atheism as a belief because of the way it would then subsequently be used against atheists. Y'all have enough fodder already, it's hard enough to be an out of the closet atheist. Don't need anymore.

    In fact, I can guarantee you that if atheism had some outwardly visible observable about it; we'd be one of the most discriminated classes. Thankfully you can't tell who is atheist just by looking at them. Unless they're wearing a shirt that says "Kiss me, I'm atheist".
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as far as atheism goes, it doesn't, i think.
    Then... why did you ask?

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is there a difference between stating "There is a god" and "I believe there is a god"?
    There is indeed significant difference between those two statements. The previous is a statement of absolute, a statement of knowledge. It is saying that you know a god exists. The latter is a statement of belief, given the measurable system you choose to believe in a god. But it's not an absolute statement, it's not claiming knowledge. It's claiming belief.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then... why did you ask?
    because i really was talking about water, not atheism. water is more interesting to me, and i'm thirsty.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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