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Thread: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is a form of atheism and one which is stated often by atheists. Here's the deal with that. Gods are by definition immeasurable systems. There's no way to measure a god and thus there is no way to fully quantitatively or qualitatively demonstrate the existence of a god. In the absence of data, the ability to even take data, one cannot conclusively say anything about the system. Gods are, in fact, a pure superposition of states composed of existing or not existing. We cannot collapse the wavefunction as we have no way to measure the system. So you cannot say anything about gods with 100% certainty. Can gods exist? Sure, why not? Since there is no conclusive evidence (and thanks to the way we've defined gods, can never be conclusive evidence...not in this existence) one must then operate off of probabilities. Well sure a god can exist, but how likely is it for a god to exist? Agnostics may put that more at a 50/50 shot. An atheist will say something more like "while gods can exist, given the observations of this current world it seems to me to be rather improbable and is much more likely that gods do not exist." It's not an absolute statement, but rather one based on probabilities of the superposition of states. Given that the is well more probable that gods do not exist than do exist, I do not believe in a god till there is concrete evidence of a god demonstrated to exist. But that evidence cannot be had due to the definition of gods as immeasurable states. I do not believe in a god.
    All well and good.

    Again, I'll say, if I'm so wrong in my understanding please...enlighten me...find things outside of this thread of people on this forum that are athiests making similar statements in anything other than a flippant insulting way that sure, a god is possible, they just don't personally think there is one. Honestly, I'd be happy to be wrong on this, I just rarely can remember reading this in the few religion threads I read.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    All well and good.

    Again, I'll say, if I'm so wrong in my understanding please...enlighten me...find things outside of this thread of people on this forum that are athiests making similar statements in anything other than a flippant insulting way that sure, a god is possible, they just don't personally think there is one. Honestly, I'd be happy to be wrong on this, I just rarely can remember reading this in the few religion threads I read.
    There have been many examples in old religious debates in the Religion forum. I most often encounter atheists whom do not state existences on an absolute scale; but rather on a probability scale. There are those who do speak to absolutes, but that is more a belief structure and most often held by anti-theists; the radicals of the atheist group.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Saying you do not believe in something IS a belief.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    "there is no way to know for sure if there is a god, but to be safe I assume that there is"

    there we now have an example of thinking from the standpoint of an agnostic theist. There is a huge difference between that and "I know there is a God"
    Agree 100%

    it is the same difference between agnostic atheism and gnostic atheism. I do not know there is a god, and although you added qualifying words I do not particularly agree with earlier (there may very well be a God), I acknowledge a possibility that there may be a higher power; however for the sake of my personal life and this specific time and place of existence I see no way of knowing one way or another for a certainty,so I assume the default position that in all liklihood that there is not. I could be wrong...I like my odds though
    I understand that. But again, in that instance I would say that you have a loosely held belief that there is no god, much as I'd say your agnostic thiest has a loosely held belief that there is a god. I can even understand your notion of an agnostic athiest, yet so rarely do I hear that actually being intimidated. Not that they're believing it one way or another simply because of some kind of rationalized reason that has less of a care regarding gods or not and more to do with their personal time. Its generally just a stated belief of "I don't believe in gods".

    But still, nothing you've stated changes my notion that athiesm, even agnostic athiesm, is still a belief of some sort because its still making a conclusion for ones self.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Saying you do not believe in something IS a belief.
    *bangs head on keyboard*

    The word NOT is there for a reason.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If claiming that disbelief is in fact a belief then one could claim that no taste is in fact a taste of its own. So, does water have a taste?
    Water has no taste - the impurities in the water do.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    All well and good.

    Again, I'll say, if I'm so wrong in my understanding please...enlighten me...find things outside of this thread of people on this forum that are athiests making similar statements in anything other than a flippant insulting way that sure, a god is possible, they just don't personally think there is one. Honestly, I'd be happy to be wrong on this, I just rarely can remember reading this in the few religion threads I read.
    you have at least 2 different people saying this very thing here and now in this thread. It is a very common position, also know as soft (or weak) atheism.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why did you edit my post and take out what I had posted there? I'll choose to believe it was on accident; but if not...poor show.
    Eeep, accident indeed. Let me go back in and change it back. I use Internet Explorer 6 at work because we're amazingly bassackwards and as such things can get extremely jumbled here. Sorry Ikari.

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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Agree 100%



    I understand that. But again, in that instance I would say that you have a loosely held belief that there is no god, much as I'd say your agnostic thiest has a loosely held belief that there is a god. I can even understand your notion of an agnostic athiest, yet so rarely do I hear that actually being intimidated. Not that they're believing it one way or another simply because of some kind of rationalized reason that has less of a care regarding gods or not and more to do with their personal time. Its generally just a stated belief of "I don't believe in gods".

    But still, nothing you've stated changes my notion that athiesm, even agnostic athiesm, is still a belief of some sort because its still making a conclusion for ones self.
    does the agnostic theist regularly go around proclaiming their doubts and screaming "there may be no god!!!!"?

    and it is not a belief that there is no god, there just is not reason to believe. This boils down to squabbling semantics and definitions, my lack of belief is NOT a belief.
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    Re: Does water have a taste? Is atheism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    well, you got me. but where on earth do we find water that occurs naturally that is without other ingredients?
    Why does it have to be natural?

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