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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    I am shocked that anybody would vote yes in this poll. Thanks for giving into the bigoted notion that gay can somehow rub off
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    I went and did some more research on this issue. I'm questioning Dr. Schumm's objectivity. He was a witness for the plaintiffs in the recent Appeals court case in Florida on their gay adoption ban, which was overturned. He argued that gay parents should be determined by the courts on a case by case basis. His research methods also sound suspect.

    Although Dr. Schumm is not a psychologist, a summary of his testimony is included in this section because he conducted a methodological analysis of the works of psychologists on homosexual parenting. When reanalyzing studies on outcomes of children raised by gay parents, he found some differences in outcomes as a factor of parental sexual orientation where the original researchers reported no differences (the null hypothesis). He suggests that his reanalysis, mostly unpublished, should be accepted over the analyses of well respected researchers in peer reviewed journals. Dr. Schumm admitted that he applies statistical standards that depart from conventions in the field. In fact, Dr. Cochran and Dr. Lamb testified that Dr. Schumm's statistical re-analysis contained a number of fundamental errors. Dr. Schumm ultimately concluded that based on his re-analysis of the data, there are statistically significant differences between children of gay and lesbian parents as compared to children of heterosexual parents. Dr. Schumm understands that much of the scientific community disagrees with his conclusions and concedes to the possibility that some gay parents may be beneficial to some children.
    The fact that he keeps standing up for Paul Cameron is also troubling. Paul Cameron is one of the most virulently anti gay people in the country by any measure, and only the Westboro Baptist Church takes any of his unpublished research seriously.

    I will have to wait until Schumm's research has been published and is subject to peer review, but I'm skeptical of his statistical methods and agenda.
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    I have to say that I honestly don't know. I'm not sure what role genetics or socialization plays in determining sexual orientation (and don't know of anyone who is), so I suppose its possible that gay parents could influence a child's sexual orientation if they're disposed to homosexual attractions.

    I don't know what it matters, though. Raising the point as some sort of argument against gays raising kids implies that being gay is a bad thing; it is not.

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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am shocked that anybody would vote yes in this poll. Thanks for giving into the bigoted notion that gay can somehow rub off
    Anyone who comes out one particular way on an unsettled scientific question is bigoted? If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be calling names.
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am shocked that anybody would vote yes in this poll. Thanks for giving into the bigoted notion that gay can somehow rub off
    It's not bigoted. I believe that homosexuality is a combination of nature and nurture. We don't know of any gay gene, but we do know hormones can influence behavior. We know there are psychological links within homosexuality too. Science doesn't completely understand everything about it. People who believe it is purely "rubbed off" aren't bigoted, they just have a different view of unproven and disputed science.
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I went and did some more research on this issue. I'm questioning Dr. Schumm's objectivity. He was a witness for the plaintiffs in the recent Appeals court case in Florida on their gay adoption ban, which was overturned. He argued that gay parents should be determined by the courts on a case by case basis. His research methods also sound suspect.



    The fact that he keeps standing up for Paul Cameron is also troubling. Paul Cameron is one of the most virulently anti gay people in the country by any measure, and only the Westboro Baptist Church takes any of his unpublished research seriously.

    I will have to wait until Schumm's research has been published and is subject to peer review, but I'm skeptical of his statistical methods and agenda.
    I agree. Anyone that supports Cameron... someone who was tossed out of the APA for both misrepresenting and misinterpreting research, and for refusing to cooperate with an investigation, has a credibility problem. Cameron's "research" on this issue has been disregarded as bunk, so referring to it makes your own research look faulty.
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Anyone who comes out one particular way on an unsettled scientific question is bigoted? If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't be calling names.
    It is implying what I said and only adds power to haters. Don't you understand That?
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's not bigoted. I believe that homosexuality is a combination of nature and nurture. We don't know of any gay gene, but we do know hormones can influence behavior. We know there are psychological links within homosexuality too. Science doesn't completely understand everything about it. People who believe it is purely "rubbed off" aren't bigoted, they just have a different view of unproven and disputed science.
    The hell it is not! Just because you are raised up in a gay household does not mean you are gonna be gay-that is MY point. All stupid crap like this does is give haters another reason to hate gay folks. Do you see what I mean?
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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. Anyone that supports Cameron... someone who was tossed out of the APA for both misrepresenting and misinterpreting research, and for refusing to cooperate with an investigation, has a credibility problem. Cameron's "research" on this issue has been disregarded as bunk, so referring to it makes your own research look faulty.
    Agreed. Cameron uses newspapers and obituaries for his "random samples". Cameron is a huge flake.

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    Re: Are gay parents more likely to raise gay children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The hell it is not! Just because you are raised up in a gay household does not mean you are gonna be gay-that is MY point. All stupid crap like this does is give haters another reason to hate gay folks. Do you see what I mean?
    It does need to be viewed objectively. At this point, all we have is an abstract. I don't believe Schumm has published his study, and he might not.

    I honestly don't know whether children can or cannot be socialized to have same sex attractions. I don't even know if it is measurable with our given technology.

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