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Thread: Self-driving Vehicles

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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    How does the car read stop signs, speed limits, construction zones ect? Today's optical recognition software can't reliably read the hundreds of different signs in different lightning conditions, fog, weird angles ect. How does the car react to someone on a bike giving a hand signal or people jaywalking in an urban area?

    I think that his technology should be used primarily on freeways and highways. Freeways have far less variables than street driving, making it much easier for a computer to handle. I can envision a system where you drive your car onto the on-ramp, punch in your exit, and let the car drive until you reach the on ramp. Even better would be networking all the cars so they work in concert, letting everyone travel at optimal speed and minimizing traffic. Street driving is probably better done by humans who can better handle its chaotic nature.
    You bring up some good questions.

    Google maps are programed into the system, so it can't be that difficult to program in where a stop sign or light is, or what the speed limit is. I can't really think of any signs the car would need to "read", as long as everything programmed within the system and the vehicle is linked to a larger network somehow. This type of vehicle would of course require good integration to function safely.

    As for the jaywalking pedestrian, even a properly educated child can learn to look both ways before crossing the street. If a person steps in front of a moving vehicle while jaywalking that is their own fault. We have crosswalks for a reason.

    The biker on the road and certain weather conditions could be tricky issues to solve.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    No it can't. Too many uncontrolled variables prevent such a system from working reliably enough to drive on. Graffiti on the sign, odd shadows, weird angles faded paint, reflected sunlight, fog, obscuring branches all are serious obstacles. Even worse, the system has to figure out the difference between writing that is traffic information and other signs along the road. To top it off, this all has to be done in real time. Maybe in the future it could be done, but not with the technology that exists right now.
    The technology for this is pretty decent even on my Android phone right now. I imagine that it's considerably better in a robotic car...and in any case, it will be several years before these cars hit the markets. There are many technological obstacles that still need to be overcome before self-driving cars go public, but I really don't see this as being one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi
    The problem with writing software is that it can only handle variables that have been anticipated and planned for. In an urban environment, that isn't likely ever to be possible. What happens when the car in front of you has engine failure at a traffic light and the only way around is to do something that is normally a bad idea like reversing or driving into the opposite lane? With collision avoidance software you can probably avoid accidents even in strange circumstances, but you still need a human who knows how to drive to navigate your way out.
    I don't see what is so impossible about that. First you have the car avoid the collision, then you have the car to drive around the obstacle when it's safe to do so. Furthermore, you don't need to program every possible circumstance into the car. You can have it observe human drivers under a wide range of circumstances and deduce how a normal person would handle the situation.

    Obviously the technology isn't all the way there yet, but it almost certainly will be in a few more years. Here's a video showing where the technology stood in 2007...pretty good, and it's much, much better than this today.

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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    I voted no. I don't think a prototype self driven care should be allowed on public roads. And a legal question rises. If individuals need a license to drive, what about a license to auto-drive? Should there not be tests and inspections for an automatic car to be allowed to legally pilot itself? I fear that this technology could be dangerous with cars being able to be "hacked" to do dangerous things. Not only that, but there is always the error of glitching or something going wrong (car overheating and frying a cord that makes it go out of control. Technology is good, but we shouldn't rely on it too much.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Kandahar, while I do agree that the technology is exciting, I have to side somewhat with rathi on this.

    To my knowledge, there has not yet been a proof-of-concept run that demonstrates we have software capable of successfully navigating city streets without incident or with a minimum of incidents. If we can get that far, then we can look at this idea a little bit more fully. Until then, I dont see that the benefits would outweigh the costs.
    I think these Google Cars ARE the proof-of-concept you're looking for. They aren't perfect yet, but they demonstrate the concept quite well.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Another issue is that the car doesn't actually know precisely where you want to go. It can't figure out which parking space you want, nor can it tell which house the party you are attending is. Manual control is always going to be required unless we develop AI capable of truly understanding what we want.
    The GPS in my phone is accurate to 4 feet, and there are GPS systems even more accurate. Self-parking cars already exist and do a good job; the hard part is the actual driving. And the car knows which house you're going to, assuming you told it the address.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I voted no. I don't think a prototype self driven care should be allowed on public roads. And a legal question rises. If individuals need a license to drive, what about a license to auto-drive? Should there not be tests and inspections for an automatic car to be allowed to legally pilot itself? I fear that this technology could be dangerous with cars being able to be "hacked" to do dangerous things. Not only that, but there is always the error of glitching or something going wrong (car overheating and frying a cord that makes it go out of control. Technology is good, but we shouldn't rely on it too much.
    Government regulations can come in handy. Though problems can arise, a good programmer and engineer would likely design this so that there wouldn't be a catastrophic failure. Otherwise they'd risk damaging the company's reputation.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I voted no. I don't think a prototype self driven care should be allowed on public roads.
    If we don't test prototypes in real world conditions, then how will they ever move beyond the prototype phase?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe
    And a legal question rises. If individuals need a license to drive, what about a license to auto-drive? Should there not be tests and inspections for an automatic car to be allowed to legally pilot itself? I fear that this technology could be dangerous with cars being able to be "hacked" to do dangerous things. Not only that, but there is always the error of glitching or something going wrong (car overheating and frying a cord that makes it go out of control. Technology is good, but we shouldn't rely on it too much.
    Yes, there definitely need to be extensive safety tests for self-driving cars before they are commercially available. But that's not going to happen for several years anyway. I don't have any problem at all with qualified drivers testing out these Google Cars, as long as they are able to override the computer when necessary.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    This is really cool. I knew the technology was being worked on, but I didn't realize it had come this far. I'm definitely in favor of allowing the testing (as long as there is someone in the driver's seat to override the car if something goes wrong). I'll admit though that I'm not sure I would buy one for myself (at least not for a long time). It would be really difficult for me to give up control of the car to a computer. I would definitely be 100% against making them mandatory at any point.
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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    Sounds like a good idea if it can reduce accidents, but it's going to take a lot of time before people will start using self-driving vehicles. Not only do we need to improve the technology, but the technology has to get cheaper so it can replace ordinary cars. It probably won't happen before in 50 years or so.

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    Re: Self-driving Vehicles

    I view it kinda like cruise control, but better. I drive in the DC area and I do NOT use cruise control, because traffic changes speed often, even on the highways. With this sort of system, the car can vary its automated speed based on immediate traffic conditions. Coupled with GPS and Google's mapping system, it should get you where you want to go.

    Except, I have detected problems with Google's mapping system before. Several times, getting driving directions from Google has been wrong at some point on the route. It tells you to take exits you shouldn't and that sort of thing. So, I think they can get the system working with local driving conditions, but medium and long range planning may be questionable. They can probably fix these things over the next several years. I would feel more comfortable if we installed way points that could sync the nav system to physical location.

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