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Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?


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Yes, it appears that someone has hacked the poll results. Shouldn't that be permaban worthy?

The polls are open to anyone, all one has to do is log out, and vote over and over again.
 
I'll take that as a concession thank you.

Take it as you want, but I think the CVS pharmacy acted unethically. There is nothing forcing them (that I know of) to give her the life saving medication, but they still put her in danger over a buck. As an asthmatic and a pharmacy technician I am disgusted by their actions. Pharmacies are healthcare centers, the primary focus is the patients health (at least it is where I work). It's unethical, inhumane, and very unpatriotic to deny someone life saving medicine over one stupid dollar. I don't see how the tech (assuming a tech was ringing them up) can sleep at night.
 
I don't really see the difference. I need others and they need me.

I can understand you thinking that way.

Then how was this couple "coercing" others?

I put in the charity is freely giving and not through coercion to be clear on what charity is. You wanted others to be charitible to this couple, but you also want the ones doing the giving to do so automatically.

Oh, so you are assuming this is the case?

Nope, I never assume anything. I put up a valid variation of what could have happened. I wasn't there and neither was you.

Difficult to say. There may have not been any customers in the store at the time. They may have been so paniced that they wouldn't sell them the inhaler that they weren't able to think straight. They may have asked every customer that was in the store, and every customer may have turned them down.

We will never know because of the sensationalistic journalism to paint x corporation as evil.
 
I put in the charity is freely giving and not through coercion to be clear on what charity is. You wanted others to be charitible to this couple, but you also want the ones doing the giving to do so automatically.

It's disturbing that helping another human being from possibly dying isn't an automatic reaction.
 
Take it as you want, but I think the CVS pharmacy acted unethically. There is nothing forcing them (that I know of) to give her the life saving medication, but they still put her in danger over a buck. As an asthmatic and a pharmacy technician I am disgusted by their actions. Pharmacies are healthcare centers, the primary focus is the patients health (at least it is where I work). It's unethical, inhumane, and very unpatriotic to deny someone life saving medicine over one stupid dollar. I don't see how the tech (assuming a tech was ringing them up) can sleep at night.

Now we're back to emotion. All inhalers are put behind the counter as the result of the War on Drugs, so this includes Primatine Mist. Primatine Mist can be bought without a prescription. Again, if she had taken the time to grab her inhaler, as she said herself that she left it at home, then she wouldn't have been in the situation she was in.
 
It's disturbing that helping another human being from possibly dying isn't an automatic reaction.

I never said it was, but I did say that how was anyone else in the store supposed to know what was going on when the couple failed to let them know what was needed to be done. If someone needed a dollar and asked me for it I would have given it once I was informed of what it was to be used for. I would not have given a dollar for someone's next crack hit.
 
I can understand you thinking that way.

I was raised with Christian values. Despite the six verses on homosexuality in the Bible, I'm quite aware of the hundreds on helping the poor and sick and loving your neighbor.

I put in the charity is freely giving and not through coercion to be clear on what charity is. You wanted others to be charitible to this couple, but you also want the ones doing the giving to do so automatically.

The word "chiarity" translates to "love" in the Bible. Love is something that you do give to your neighbor freely and automatically. These people had no love in their hearts.

Nope, I never assume anything. I put up a valid variation of what could have happened. I wasn't there and neither was you.

You were presenting it as if it was what happened. That is not exactly intellectually honest.

We will never know because of the sensationalistic journalism to paint x corporation as evil.

That is what the press does. However, it is clear that even if it was as the article paints it, you feel strongly that the people could have watched the woman die and there would have been nothing wrong with that, and I find that to be interesting way to priortize values. It gives me quite the window into how you percieve the world and your place in it.
 
Now we're back to emotion. All inhalers are put behind the counter as the result of the War on Drugs, so this includes Primatine Mist. Primatine Mist can be bought without a prescription. Again, if she had taken the time to grab her inhaler, as she said herself that she left it at home, then she wouldn't have been in the situation she was in.

Emotion? We are talking about saving a human life. Inhalers are put behind the counter because they require prescriptions from a doctor. They are not OCT items due to the fact that for some patients they may be dangerous and should only be used as directed by a physician/pharmacist. You can't just sell albuterol steroid inhalers to anyone for any reason. This isn't a result on the War on Drugs, its a result of good medical practice. The only "high" you get from a rescue inhaler is a dizziness associated with oxygen deprivation (because the medication is a steroid and not oxygen). This is how the War on Drugs works. The Controlled Substances Act stages drugs in certain catagories. You have your CV, CIV, CIII, CII, and CI. CI are illegal, they are drugs like heroine and cocaine. CII are legal controlled substances like oxycodon and morphine. CIII are controlled drugs like vicodin and ambien. However, this is not the reason why drugs are behind the shelf. It's all about good medical practice. Not just anyone should take metformin, it's only beneficial if you have high blood sugar. If you don't it's dangerous. Not anyone should use a rescue inhaler. It's a steroid that acts to reduce inflammation in the lungs.

I'm sorry, but forgetting to bring a rescue inhaler doesn't merit allowing someone to die of an asthma attack.
 
Emotion? We are talking about saving a human life. Inhalers are put behind the counter because they require prescriptions from a doctor. They are not OCT items due to the fact that for some patients they may be dangerous and should only be used as directed by a physician/pharmacist. You can't just sell albuterol steroid inhalers to anyone for any reason. This isn't a result on the War on Drugs, its a result of good medical practice. The only "high" you get from a rescue inhaler is a dizziness associated with oxygen deprivation (because the medication is a steroid and not oxygen).
I'm sorry, but forgetting to bring a rescue inhaler doesn't merit allowing someone to die of an asthma attack.

I can actually attest to this. I'm using one of these right now. Screw bronchitis!
 
I can actually attest to this. I'm using one of these right now. Screw bronchitis!

Do you have chronic bronchitis? I hope you get well :2wave: I say screw lung diseases in general. Air is free :peace

And wth? There are like 60 votes supporting CVS, and about 5 min ago there were only 40(ish). Poll trolling is annoying.
 
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Do you have chronic bronchitis? I hope you get well :2wave: I say screw lung diseases in general. Air is free :peace

And wth? There are like 60 votes supporting CVS, and about 5 min ago there were only 40(ish). Poll trolling is annoying.

We think it's The-Patriot logging out and running up the polls, or something. As though this will change anyone's mind. XD
 
Do you have chronic bronchitis? I hope you get well :2wave: I say screw lung diseases in general. Air is free :peace

Yeah, that's what the NP at the clinic diagnosed me with. I've had it for about a month too. It sucks because I can't do anything physical without getting winded way too quickly. Hopefully the inhaler will help.

And Thanks! :)
 
Emotion? We are talking about saving a human life. Inhalers are put behind the counter because they require prescriptions from a doctor. They are not OCT items due to the fact that for some patients they may be dangerous and should only be used as directed by a physician/pharmacist. You can't just sell albuterol steroid inhalers to anyone for any reason. This isn't a result on the War on Drugs, its a result of good medical practice. The only "high" you get from a rescue inhaler is a dizziness associated with oxygen deprivation (because the medication is a steroid and not oxygen). This is how the War on Drugs works. The Controlled Substances Act stages drugs in certain catagories. You have your CV, CIV, CIII, CII, and CI. CI are illegal, they are drugs like heroine and cocaine. CII are legal controlled substances like oxycodon and morphine. CIII are controlled drugs like vicodin and ambien. However, this is not the reason why drugs are behind the shelf. It's all about good medical practice. Not just anyone should take metformin, it's only beneficial if you have high blood sugar. If you don't it's dangerous. Not anyone should use a rescue inhaler. It's a steroid that acts to reduce inflammation in the lungs.

I'm sorry, but forgetting to bring a rescue inhaler doesn't merit allowing someone to die of an asthma attack.

Yes, because society is responsible for everyone's well being when they don't know about it.
 
Yeah, that's what the NP at the clinic diagnosed me with. I've had it for about a month too. It sucks because I can't do anything physical without getting winded way too quickly. Hopefully the inhaler will help.

And Thanks! :)

I'm sorry to hear that :( Hopefully it will go away in time. I know the feeling, I was diagnosed with asthma when I was 10 so my life has been pretty uneventful. Rescue inhalers do save lives though and at least in modern times we can treat them. I did read a thing that said the declining air quality due to air pollution has increased the prevalence of asthma, bronchitis, and COPD. It was a more correlation and not a causation thing, but they believe that the air pollution could have caused it. I think they should pay for our medications regarding lung disease. I didn't develop asthma until 2 years after moving to Nashville from the D.C. area.
Yes, because society is responsible for everyone's well being when they don't know about it.

I would say society is responsible for each others well being. At least any mature society. I'm sure the guy at the counter knew the woman was having an asthma attack... If it was your kid or someone you love would you still support CVS? What if you left your credit card at home and only had $20 like this man did? Would you understand and walk away with no problems while your loved one chokes on their own airways? One thing about American society and patriotism is that we generally care about those around us. After 9/11 people banded together to help regardless of politics. During Katrina many across the nation helped those in New Orleans. It's what makes our country great, and patriotism in my opinion, is rooted in sering our fellow citizens. Would you simply be ok with this if you were the man buying the medication for someone you love in the same scenario?
 
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Do you have chronic bronchitis? I hope you get well :2wave: I say screw lung diseases in general. Air is free :peace

And wth? There are like 60 votes supporting CVS, and about 5 min ago there were only 40(ish). Poll trolling is annoying.

Just so people know. Only 2 of the votes supporting CVS are not troll votes.
 
Yes, because society is responsible for everyone's well being when they don't know about it.

I'm pretty sure the cashiers, the pharmacist, and probably the manager, were all aware of the situation. Any one of them could have stepped up.
 
I find it curious that those who support CVS and condemn the ailing woman in this case have nothing to say about CVS' history of corporate greed, complete lack of concern for its customers, and unethical business practices.

CVS pleads guilty to selling methamphetamine ingredient to criminals

CVS pharmacies selling expired products

CVS Drug Store Company Caught in Hidden Drug-Pushing Deal to Promote Zyprexa for Money

Texas lawsuit accuses CVS Caremark of racketeering, misusing trade secrets

Lawsuit on behalf of investors of CVS Caremark Corporation over alleged securities laws violations of CVS Caremark

CVS Overtime Pay Class Action Lawsuit and Wage & Hour Collective Action

CVS fights Illinois fraud lawsuit


And wth? There are like 60 votes supporting CVS, and about 5 min ago there were only 40(ish). Poll trolling is annoying.

It should be ban worthy, IMO.
 
I usually shop at Walgreen's too; there are more of them, and they're more conveniently located.
Their selection of makeup and hair products is good, and that's usually what I'm shopping for when I go to a drugstore. I like their generic brand stuff pretty well (tampons, cold medicines, allergy pills, advil). It compares favorably to name brand stuff, and is significantly less expensive.
Oh, and they have a great selection of candy. I loooove candy!

I am strictly a druggie.
 

So what if it was a Mom & Pop pharmacy who didn't sell the girl an inhaler because she lacked a dollar? Would the fact that that Mom & Pop operation never had a problem with the law but still didn't sell the girl the inhaler make the situation okay?
 
So what if it was a Mom & Pop pharmacy who didn't sell the girl an inhaler because she lacked a dollar? Would the fact that that Mom & Pop operation never had a problem with the law but still didn't sell the girl the inhaler make the situation okay?

That doesn't really make sense. She was pointing out that CVS has a history of bad dealings. How does that relate to your Mom and Pop example?
 
If anything, a statement like this is the most resounding way to prove that conservative ideology is, at its centre, selfish, naive and regressive.

One could debate all day long about whether the manager ought to have sold her the asthma inhaler, if the debate is about the legality of selling dangerous drugs to unconfirmed sob story tellers.

But this... Your ideology has twisted you so much that you believe that people ought to be horrible bastards to each other, just because it aligns with your twisted political views.

I don't understand how to get through to a person who has left logic so far behind as to agree with a statement like, "The woman having the asthma attack was in the wrong -- people needn't help each other."

When you get to hell, send my regards to Hitler and Limbaugh.

Is there some reason for you to believe Limbaugh would not fork over a dollar? He is actually very charitable with his wealth.
Also, I don't know what's up with The Patriot, but that's not how Conservatives act as a rule. In fact they are more charitable than liberals when it comes to their own money.
 
Nobody did anything wrong, but it's very poor customer service. I had a friend who had a similar experience when she lived in Portland. It was just as the worst storm that had hit the area in years came in, she went to K-Mart to buy some candles so she and her son wouldn't have to sit in the dark all night. The power was already out and she tried to write them a check, but they refused to take it because they couldn't verify it. She had been a long-term customer there for years, had written hundreds of checks and never bounced one, but they refused to take it so she ended up in the dark.

To this day, she still won't shop at K-Mart. For a minor inconvenience, they've probably lost thousands of potential dollars over the years.
 
I think it draws the distinction between a corporation and a Mom and Pop outfit. A Mom and Pop outfit would have waived the dollar.

Just to add to that. I went in to my small pharmacist shop this morning to get my kid some antibiotics and their registers were down. So they gave me the medicine and told me to pay tomorrow :)
 
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