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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    How about instead of going back to a smaller government where people are willing to take responsibility for helping those in need, people take more personal responsibility for their own well-being? We wouldn't need any kind of legislation if people would take their own medical situations more seriously and carry medication with them in case of an attack or be sure to carry enough money to adequately pay for medication when they need to get it.
    You're argument is just creating another problem, and it will go to the government for decision... and you'll lose. Your idea of somebody taking care of their well being in this situation is carrying an extra $1.50 on them.. Otherwise, how was this individual neglecting her health and well being? She wasn't.. she was there getting her medicine but didn't have the exact amount.

    If she just went to the ER you wouldn't be complaining.. and the ER's bill is more expensive than 21.50. People walk out of ER's not paying a cent all the time. She could have just done that instead and let the hospital raise everybody else's medical care costs..

    That is your opinion and your criteria of responsibility, and it is vague and problematic.. What about drug addicts and people overeating and developing diabetes? That isn't taking responsibility for their health, so what if the next clerk decides he isn't go to sell you you're insulin because you're fat.... or refuses to fill your pain pills because you have track marks on your arm?

    Should your 1.50 argument be my idea of health responsibility? Is that also my criteria? NO..

    You have NO IDEA how responsible or irresponsible she is for her health.. Does she smoke? Does she go to the doctor regularly? Does she take her medication as prescribed? How often does she miss a dose?

    When you try to define medical responsibility in this context, you're going to run into more problems than solutions... and you're going to be pointing the finger at more people with chronic health problems than anybody else.
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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You're argument is just creating another problem, and it will go to the government for decision... and you'll lose. Your idea of somebody taking care of their well being in this situation is carrying an extra $1.50 on them.. Otherwise, how was this individual neglecting her health and well being? She wasn't.. she was there getting her medicine but didn't have the exact amount.
    She was neglecting her health and well being because

    1) she didn't have her inhaler with her while she went out despite being susceptible to asthma attacks at any time

    2) she didn't carry enough money to purchase the medication she needed to relieve the asthma attack - it doesn't matter if she lacked $1.50 or $5 or $10 - she wasn't mindful enough to be sure she had the money to purchase the medication she needed in an emergency

    That's not the clerk's fault. That's not CVS' fault. That's not the government's fault. But nobody else wants to point out the responsibility of the asthma sufferer; instead it's being rationalized away so that instead the clerk or CVS or the government should bear it instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    If she just went to the ER you wouldn't be complaining.. and the ER's bill is more expensive than 21.50. People walk out of ER's not paying a cent all the time. She could have just done that instead and let the hospital raise everybody else's medical care costs..
    Well, if she doesn't want to pay for the ER bill she should make sure she has enough to pay for the medication. If she doesn't have enough to pay for the medication, then she's forced to go to the ER and pay extra. The price she has to pay for not having enough forethought to carry the money needed for cheaper medication. That's not my fault. That's not the clerk's fault. That's not CVS' fault. That's her fault. And if she gets stuck with a bigger bill for the ER, maybe it'll teach her a lesson to either carry her inhaler with her or to carry a $50 for emergencies just in case.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That is your opinion and your criteria of responsibility, and it is vague and problematic.. What about drug addicts and people overeating and developing diabetes? That isn't taking responsibility for their health, so what if the next clerk decides he isn't go to sell you you're insulin because you're fat.... or refuses to fill your pain pills because you have track marks on your arm?
    We aren't talking about not selling medication because someone's fat or because someone's old or because someone's ugly. We are talking about not selling medication because they don't have the money to pay for it.

    If somebody has diabetes and they don't have enough money to pay for insulin, then they don't get the insulin. It's as simple as that if we're going to be living in a capitalistic society which isn't my fault that we've decided to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Should your 1.50 argument be my idea of health responsibility? Is that also my criteria? NO..

    You have NO IDEA of responsible or irresponsible she is for her health.. Does she smoke? Does she go to the doctor regularly? Does she take her medication as prescribed? How often does she miss a dose?

    When you try to define medical responsibility in this context, you're going to run into more problems than solutions.
    She didn't carry her medication with her in this instance when she had an asthma attack. That speaks for itself. And the clerk shouldn't be blamed for that. Neither should CVS.

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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    She was neglecting her health and well being because

    1) she didn't have her inhaler with her while she went out despite being susceptible to asthma attacks at any time

    2) she didn't carry enough money to purchase the medication she needed to relieve the asthma attack - it doesn't matter if she lacked $1.50 or $5 or $10 - she wasn't mindful enough to be sure she had the money to purchase the medication she needed in an emergency

    That's not the clerk's fault. That's not CVS' fault. That's not the government's fault. But nobody else wants to point out the responsibility of the asthma sufferer; instead it's being rationalized away so that instead the clerk or CVS or the government should bear it instead.



    Well, if she doesn't want to pay for the ER bill she should make sure she has enough to pay for the medication. If she doesn't have enough to pay for the medication, then she's forced to go to the ER and pay extra. The price she has to pay for not having enough forethought to carry the money needed for cheaper medication. That's not my fault. That's not the clerk's fault. That's not CVS' fault. That's her fault. And if she gets stuck with a bigger bill for the ER, maybe it'll teach her a lesson to either carry her inhaler with her or to carry a $50 for emergencies just in case.



    We aren't talking about not selling medication because someone's fat or because someone's old or because someone's ugly. We are talking about not selling medication because they don't have the money to pay for it.

    If somebody has diabetes and they don't have enough money to pay for insulin, then they don't get the insulin. It's as simple as that if we're going to be living in a capitalistic society which isn't my fault that we've decided to do so.



    She didn't carry her medication with her in this instance when she had an asthma attack. That speaks for itself. And the clerk shouldn't be blamed for that. Neither should CVS.
    I am tired of hearing you use words like responsibility and fault.. I don't think this is anybody's fault, and I highly doubt you are a medical expert, so you're not really a authoritative voice on taking responsibility for one's health.

    Asthma is a chronic health problem. People are born with it. That isn't anybodies fault. It also isn't her fault that she suffered a asthma attack when she did and where she did. It's a chronic health problem.

    The only thing that is their "fault" or happens to be an important fact, is that she was a 1.50 short. Whose fault is that? Her fault for not having the money or the stores fault for not telling her how much it would be? Maybe it's her boyfriends fault.. Maybe they thought they had more money. Maybe her boyfriend earlier spent $100 dollars unbeknownst to her, and he is a big A hole who doesn't care about her health. Nobody knows.

    The fact is trying to find fault is pointless and an endless. People don't make decisions free of constraints, there are always constraints.. There are constraints influencing why the clerk made his decision and there are constraints influencing why the couple only had 20 dollars. Blaming can go around and around, so that language is entirely pointless with me.. under any circumstance.

    This entire discussion around fault is a worthless aspect of this debate. I am sick of it. The only reason you are bringing up fault and blame is to morally justify punishing her by forcing her to suffer an asthma attack.

    I have said again and again.. I am not concerned about punishment in this discussion. The facts are the facts.

    And it's a farce if you think you can even judge somebody as being irresponsible for not carrying an inhaler on them all the time. You're simply using it as a crutch because she was 1.50 short.

    I don't carry an inhaler on me all the time, because I don't suffer chronic asthma. I actually once had an attack while driving, and stopped at a BP and got some coffee.. Coffee is known to stop an attack. It worked for me. I understand my condition. You don't. You're not in the position to dole at medical advice or "responsibility" requirements, nor is the government

    My asthma isn't that bad that I need an inhaler all the time, just during certain seasons. I have bronchial asthma. It is also more difficult if you are a man or don't carry a purse. My gran always keeps her inhaler next to her chair and takes it as prescribed.. she doesn't have to carry it around either. But once she was put on oxygen.

    We don't understand this woman's health risks exactly.. we don't know what advice her doctors have given her. The only fact that is really known to us is that she was a 1.50 short.

    So which is it. Are you blaming this woman for not controlling her chronic health problem better or for not having an extra 1.50 in her wallet?
    Last edited by SheWolf; 10-17-10 at 06:27 PM.

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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    If someone needs emergency medical care, the correct course of action, unless you're a member of the medical profession, is to summon an ambulance.
    Not to traipse around a drugstore offering the sufferer prescription drugs for which they do not have a prescription.
    It sounds like a good way to get someone killed, and end up in prison.

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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am tired of hearing you use words like responsibility and fault.. I don't think this is anybody's fault, and I highly doubt you are a medical expert, so you're not really a authoritative voice on taking responsibility for one's health.

    Asthma is a chronic health problem. People are born with it. That isn't anybodies fault. It also isn't her fault that she suffered a asthma attack when she did and where she did. It's a chronic health problem.

    The only thing that is their "fault" or happens to be an important fact, is that she was a 1.50 short. Whose fault is that? Her fault for not having the money or the stores fault for not telling her how much it would be? Maybe it's her boyfriends fault.. Maybe they thought they had more money. Maybe her boyfriend earlier spent $100 dollars unbeknownst to her, and he is a big A hole who doesn't care about her health. Nobody knows.

    The fact is trying to find fault is pointless and an endless. People don't make decisions free of constraints, there are always constraints.. There are constraints influencing why the clerk made his decision and there are constraints influencing why the couple only had 20 dollars. Blaming can go around and around, so that language is entirely pointless with me.. under any circumstance.

    This entire discussion around fault is a worthless aspect of this debate. I am sick of it. The only reason you are bringing up fault and blame is to morally justify punishing her by forcing her to suffer an asthma attack.

    I have said again and again.. I am not concerned about punishment in this discussion. The facts are the facts.

    And it's a farce if you think you can even judge somebody as being irresponsible for not carrying an inhaler on them all the time. You're simply using it as a crutch because she was 1.50 short.

    I don't carry an inhaler on me all the time, because I don't suffer chronic asthma. I actually once had an attack while driving, and stopped at a BP and got some coffee.. Coffee is known to stop an attack. It worked for me. I understand my condition. You don't. You're not in the position to dole at medical advice or "responsibility" requirements, nor is the government

    My asthma isn't that bad that I need an inhaler all the time, just during certain seasons. I have bronchial asthma. It is also more difficult if you are a man or don't carry a purse. My gran always keeps her inhaler next to her chair and takes it as prescribed.. she doesn't have to carry it around either. But once she was put on oxygen.

    We don't understand this woman's health risks exactly.. we don't know what advice her doctors have given her. The only fact that is really known to us is that she was a 1.50 short.

    So which is it. Are you blaming this woman for not controlling her chronic health problem better or for not having an extra 1.50 in her wallet?
    Well, I'm not the only who is using the word "fault." Remember, the question of this thread is "Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?" The majority of people have been arguing that they were wrong. I have been arguing that they are not. The reason why is because the responsibility for people's health goes to that person - not businesses who supply medication for the illness.

    And no, I am not using it as a crutch. People should be mindful of their health risks, and if there's a chance they can suffer some kind of attack because of their condition, they should make allowances for it.

    For example, I have a friend and she has diabetes. We went on a trip this weekend to visit a friend. We went just before lunch time. The trip took an hour, and between our depature and our destination there is nothing but farm land.

    She didn't eat before we left, thinking we would have time to eat before her blood sugar dropped. We didn't. So she pulled out some carbohydrate tabs to deal with it until we got to the highway and I could pull over to get her something to eat. I paid for it because I carried plenty of cash on me in case I would need to spend it. Which I did.

    My friend doesn't have complications from diabetes very often. But she is aware that it can happen. At any time. So she carried carbohydrate tabs in case of an emergency when she'd need them. She carries them with her in her purse all the time in case she'd need them. Which she never knows when she might. But, then again, that could be any time.

    And if my friend were a man instead of a woman, I would tell him to bring a backpack with him to carry those things. Or a satchel to carry it and other things. That's perfectlly acceptable male attire. And even if it wasn't, conforming to male fashion styles isn't an acceptable reason to ignore his medical condition, and I would tell him so to his face.

    So what I'm saying is that the woman and her boyfriend should be better prepared. She should either carry her medication all the time since it's factual that she can have an attack at any time or make sure she always carries enough money to buy medication should she ever need it. She needs to be better prepared. And CVS isn't in the wrong because she isn't prepared.

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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    I can't fault this woman. It would be one thing if she did it repeatedly, but my assumption is that this is a one time thing for her. Expecting her to never make a mistake in regards to her medicine is an expectation that no human being can fulfil.

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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    I don’t know because it is all rounded.
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    CVS should have taken care of the customer who was having an asthma attack, it’s just good business.
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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Another thought...why didn't they just fill the inhaler halfway and charge her half?

    I don't know how inhalers work so I'm just speculating.
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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally, you're allowed to do that. However, they aren't compelled to do that. So the clerks still did nothing wrong.
    On a human compassion level? It was the wrong thing to do.

    On the other hand? Where does it end? I do not have that extra penny so cannot get my pack of gum. Give me that penny cause "I" matter so much. Honestly a business cannot just hand out freebies like that.
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    Re: Was CVS Pharmacy right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Capitalistic is one thing. Potentially letting someone die for a dollar, while capitalistic, is abhorrent.
    Personally, you're allowed to do that. However, they aren't compelled to do that. So the clerks still did nothing wrong.

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