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    Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    In case you don't know who he is (I'm just not sure how popular he was outside of California), he was a union organizer for the UFW (United Farm Workers) who tried to raise wages for migrant farm workers. The UFW doesn't do much anymore; they've pretty much sunk into obscurity. The famous work of the UFW, at its height, were the boycotts and strikes.

    In 1970, the boycott finally forced the grape growers to sign with UFW: five years later, Chavez reached his peak of seeming success when his newly-elected ally, Governor Jerry Brown, pushed through the Agricultural Labor Relations Act, for the first time, compelling collective bargaining in agriculture.

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    The low wage of migrant farm workers is not a sign that they are "exploited" (whatever that term may mean), but precisely that they are low-skilled and easily replaceable. And anyone who is inclined to weep about their "exploitation" should ask himself why in the world these workers emigrate seasonally from Mexico to the United States to take these jobs. The answer is that it's all relative: what are "low wages" and miserable living conditions for Americans, are high wages and palatial conditions for Mexicans--or, rather, for those unskilled Mexicans who choose to make the trek each season.

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    As the pseudonymous free-market economist "Angus Black" admonished liberals at the time of the grape boycott: if you really want to improve the lot of grape workers, don't boycott grapes; on the contrary, eat as many grapes as you can stand, and tell your friends to do the same. This will raise the consumer demand for grapes, and increase both the employment and the wages of grape workers.
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    From Making Economic Sense by Murray Rothbard.

    I'd also like to add the commentary that by pushing these wages up as he tried to do, Cesar Chavez effectively limited the number of jobs available. So while he was trying to help those who were picking grapes up in California, who knows what misery he brought upon those still south of the border who were no longer allowed due to union practices (you have to keep our labor if you're going to keep wages up). If you think migrant farm wages are bad, imagine not even being able to earn that!

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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    Chavez was also against illegal immigration just to point out.

    Cesar Chavez: Longtime foe of illegal immigration
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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Chavez was also against illegal immigration just to point out.

    Cesar Chavez: Longtime foe of illegal immigration
    Because he knew it would bring down wages for migrant farm workers most likely. Like I said, he didn't care about the plight that his programs incurred on those south of the border, he had his special group that he was going to help and didn't care who it hurt.

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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    I would say; as a private affair, YOUR CHOICE.
    I would say; as a public (state or federal/national) celebration, NO.
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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    I dunno; we sure celebrate the hell out of him here in Texas.



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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'd also like to add the commentary that by pushing these wages up as he tried to do, Cesar Chavez effectively limited the number of jobs available. So while he was trying to help those who were picking grapes up in California, who knows what misery he brought upon those still south of the border who were no longer allowed due to union practices (you have to keep our labor if you're going to keep wages up). If you think migrant farm wages are bad, imagine not even being able to earn that!
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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Don't know; don't care.
    You don't care about people losing out on the potential wage that they could have gotten so that a privileged group can get more?

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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You don't care about people losing out on the potential wage that they could have gotten so that a privileged group can get more?
    Not if they're south of the border, no.

    Cesar Chavez was a great American.

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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Not if they're south of the border, no.

    Cesar Chavez was a great American.
    What's the difference between an American and someone outside of the country, except for the mere area where they live?

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    Re: Should we celebrate Cesar Chavez?

    I don't think we really need any national holiday for the man or anything. People can celebrate as they see fit though. IN the end, I think he moved for something he truly believed in and that's fine and dandy. We can sit here and say that it hurts others and this or that; but that's not to say that there couldn't be a real problem. We have lots of health and safety laws now for business....too many in fact. But one cannot argue that there wasn't a time when some regulation was necessary; when work conditions were so poor and so dangerous that someone had to step in and try to make things better. Does this limit the work force? Not always, when taken to extremes it will. But it can also inspire innovation as well. New machines to do things faster, cheaper, better. New techniques to streamline production means and thus make the ultimate product cheaper. Devices for safety. Innovation makes the world go around. Without it,. we stagnate. It'd be slow death.
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