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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is, of course, silly - more parties doesn't mean less influence from "special interests" - it just means they spread their influence differently.So long as people have the right to group together to get what they want from their congresspeople, there will always be special interest groups - and, as political free speech is a basic tenet of American society, that right will never go away. If you have an issue with a particular special interest group gaining, IYHO, too much influence over people in congress, the corrsct response is NOT to try to limit that group thru legislation or to change the rules for that group, but to get beehind a group (or create yur own group) in an effort to counter that influence.
    If special interest groups pursue avenues different form the two "major" political parties, then their power is distributed, and somewhat diluted. And to counter another special interest group with one of your own is ludicrous; you'd end up just wasting resources trying to buy politicians and whatnot, rather then spending money on more reliable projects.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Obama Should to pull all the troops now, but he's afraid it will show weakness and doom the Democrats, but if he really did it on his own, against all media, military and political pressure, that would show real courage and, eventually, overwhelming support.

    Do it, Obama. Order it NOW... Just like Truman 58 years ago

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    Why the hell would we want that? We'd end up with Afghanistan returning to the (rabid) dogs, and we'd be fighting a defensive war against radicals on our home turf. And our populace would suffer the consequences of that war. Much better to keep them at arm's length, like a boxer against a puncher.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    If special interest groups pursue avenues different form the two "major" political parties, then their power is distributed, and somewhat diluted.
    Maybe. Maybe not. It is not necessary that there will be less influence even if for no other reason that the 'diluted' influence will be over smaller parties.

    And to counter another special interest group with one of your own is ludicrous; you'd end up just wasting resources trying to buy politicians and whatnot, rather then spending money on more reliable projects.
    Given the rights that we have in this country, there's no other way - "its too hard to compete wit them" isnt a valid argument for restricting their right to free speech.

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. It is not necessary that there will be less influence even if for no other reason that the 'diluted' influence will be over smaller parties.


    Given the rights that we have in this country, there's no other way - "its too hard to compete wit them" isnt a valid argument for restricting their right to free speech.
    Not that its too hard to compete with special interest groups, its the inefficiency of it. Corroboration would be much more efficient, and that would lead (from where I see this situation) to more political parties. And the amount of money spent by lobbyists groups is also quite inefficient, IMO, and if we could limit the amount of funds in a federal election, that would also cut down on the inefficiencies, and while that'd need to be done in conjunction with an increase in political parties, its a different subject.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Not that its too hard to compete with special interest groups, its the inefficiency of it.
    How is doing what they do inefficient?

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How is doing what they do inefficient?
    I dislike the amount of money special interest groups invest in getting a few congressmen (re)elected, and how so many political campaigns fight tooth and nail to have the most money to throw into campaigning. Just the use of that money in politics seems wasteful, and I'd rather see it used to pursue more useful avenues, like R & D projects.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I dislike the amount of money special interest groups invest in getting a few congressmen (re)elected, and how so many political campaigns fight tooth and nail to have the most money to throw into campaigning. Just the use of that money in politics seems wasteful, and I'd rather see it used to pursue more useful avenues, like R & D projects.
    You do know that the money spent on campaigning is not wasted, right?

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You do know that the money spent on campaigning is not wasted, right?
    I know it isn't wasted, but its not the best use for the money is what I'm trying to get at.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Opps, I clicked the wrong one.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    As long as each side is playing by the rules (US Constitution and or State Constitutions) and is truly looking out for America then bipartisanship can be helpful.
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