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  • YES! It hurts America!

    24 66.67%
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  • Meh..... it really does nothing.

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    I simply advocate more competition in the electoral process.
    But the political process is not necessarily congenial to that level of competition, especially with what you want out of it.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    When did "bickering" even do any good.??
    But cooperation is the first step to accomplishment.
    Have the political parties ever wondered why so few participate?
    In the year 2020, I can see it now, no more Dems and GOP, only Libertarians and Liberals.
    Things change.
    Bickering does plenty for citizen participation, though it has plenty of limitations.

    On one hand, people say they do not like the partisan politics. On the other, during partisan politic eras, the people are also the most active. There is a split between what people think ought to occur, and what people actually do.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Sean Hannity banging away every day (and he does... listen to his talk show) to make the Democrats look horrible. Democratic "news" agencies making Republicans look like sinister folks. This happens 12 hours a DAY on certain networks.

    Each side struggles to make the other look like fools. Like Anti-Americans. To the point of cult brain-washing.

    Is this REALLY a benefit to America?
    Bipartisan Politics is just as it should be.

    What hurts the United States of America is our senators and representatives voting straight down party lines. When I see a mixture of votes from the Dems and Reps voting both yea and nay, I say that's our system working right.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Bipartisan Politics is just as it should be.

    What hurts the United States of America is our senators and representatives voting straight down party lines.
    Last time I checked only Reps voted the straight ticket. For some reason, probably constituent differences, many Dems have broken ranks.

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Last time I checked only Reps voted the straight ticket. For some reason, probably constituent differences, many Dems have broken ranks.

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    In a system where legislation can be enacted through a majority vote, you often see the minority party voting in unison while the majority party is more fractured. The majority party has the luxury of picking where along the spectrum to draw each bill, thus allowing some members the political benefit of voting against the proposal.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I have no idea how to practically implement a multi-party system, but my point was that if we went to something like that, we should reduce the power of special-interest groups lobbying of the Dem's and GOP because the groups will have other parties to influence.
    This is, of course, silly - more parties doesn't mean less influence from "special interests" - it just means they spread their influence differently.

    So long as people have the right to group together to get what they want from their congresspeople, there will always be special interest groups - and, as political free speech is a basic tenet of American society, that right will never go away. If you have an issue with a particular special interest group gaining, IYHO, too much influence over people in congress, the corrsct response is NOT to try to limit that group thru legislation or to change the rules for that group, but to get beehind a group (or create yur own group) in an effort to counter that influence.

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Last time I checked only Reps voted the straight ticket.
    This is sheer ignorance.
    Willful or not, I'll let you decide, but ignorance none the less.

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    In a system where legislation can be enacted through a majority vote, you often see the minority party voting in unison while the majority party is more fractured. The majority party has the luxury of picking where along the spectrum to draw each bill, thus allowing some members the political benefit of voting against the proposal.
    Good point, and it brings up another political anomaly. Dems are more prone to listen to their voters than the Reps because they want to be fair, but it also makes them look weak and flip-floppy.

    On the surface voters like the idea of being able to make a difference, but down deep inside it's a different story. They really want their leaders to be strong and unyielding.

    That's probably the reason many Democrats forget where their best interests lie and vote Republican.

    Obama Should to pull all the troops now, but he's afraid it will show weakness and doom the Democrats, but if he really did it on his own, against all media, military and political pressure, that would show real courage and, eventually, overwhelming support.

    Do it, Obama. Order it NOW... Just like Truman 58 years ago

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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Good point, and it brings up another political anomaly. Dems are more prone to listen to their voters than the Reps because they want to be fair, but it also makes them look weak and flip-floppy.
    I don't think there's any evidence to support this, nor does it follow from my point.
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    Re: Bipartisan Politics: Does it Hurt America?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Good point, and it brings up another political anomaly. Dems are more prone to listen to their voters than the Reps because they want to be fair...
    You mean, more precisely, Dems who fear for their re-election are less likely to support legislation that is unpopular with their constituents than Dems who do not fear for their re-election.

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