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Thread: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its not semantics. A lack of information and false information are two very different things. False information is untruthful while a lack of information neither true nor untrue.
    So you have nothing to add that is on topic. Thank you for replies.

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    So you have nothing to add that is on topic. Thank you for replies.
    I have plenty to add in pointing out the falseness of your idea that these two things are semantics. This distinction is important to help understand some of the meaning behind Fiddy's post.

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have plenty to add in pointing out the falseness of your idea that these two things are semantics. This distinction is important to help understand some of the meaning behind Fiddy's post.
    A lie is the intent to deceive by giving out false information ie historical fiction is an intent to deceive. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge which having false information is a lack of knowledge since it's not the true knowledge. Got anything else to add on the semantics front or are you actually going to actually answer the question posed in the thread? You've had plenty of oppertunity to answer it and you haven't. Trust me, Fiddy can handle himself instead of you hijacking his position.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 10-12-10 at 02:06 PM.

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    A lie is the intent to deceive and by giving out false information ie historical fiction is an intent to deceive. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge which having false information is a lack of knowledge since it's not the truth. Got anything else to add on the semantics front or are you actually going to actually answer the question posed in the thread? You've had plenty of oppertunity to answer it and you haven't. Trust me, Fiddy can handle himself instead of you hijacking his position.
    Personally I think we should tell the truth whenever possible as a general principal. However, you seem to have a very warped idea of what truth actually is, as you seem to want to equate ignorance and untruth. (and that is a word we are going to have to nail down if we ever want a fruitful discussion)

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Personally I think we should tell the truth whenever possible as a general principal. However, you seem to have a very warped idea of what truth actually is. (and that is a word we are going to have to nail down if we ever want a fruitful discussion)
    What is your definition of the truth?

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    What is your definition of the truth?
    Factual information.

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Factual information.
    I expected a more detailed definition from you since factual information leaves a lot to be desired due to it being rather loosely defined. I'll ask again, "What is your definition of truth?"

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I expected a more detailed definition from you since factual information leaves a lot to be desired due to it being rather loosely defined. I'll ask again, "What is your definition of truth?"
    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing more than once and expecting a different result. I don't put much stock in the idea of philosophical truths or anything like that. A fact is a fact and the rest is opinion or a lie.

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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I'll take it that you aren't willing to answer the question honestly and more in depth.
    There is no more depth to it, this is what I believe. Facts are things that are immutable and therefore they hold truth as they are reality or at least as close as we can get given the limits of our minds, animal nature, sense organs, and experience.
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    Re: What matters more historical facts or historical fiction passed off as facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There is no more depth to it, this is what I believe. Facts are things that are immutable and therefore they hold truth as they are reality or at least as close as we can get given the limits of our minds, animal nature, sense organs, and experience.
    What are facts in your definition? I'm asking because I'm trying to get on the same page as to what you're definitions are because you commented that it would have to be nailed down to do so. This way there isn't any ambiguity.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 10-12-10 at 02:22 PM.

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