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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    It is clear that most who have voted on this do not know what Columbus day celebrates.

    And I do not mean this to insult anyone.

    Columbus day is not about what happened on his 2nd trip when he went back with 17 ships and 1,300 Spanish military men, farmers, craftsmen, and clergy, in early November 1493 leading to a lot of really bad things, or even the next many years of slavery and death.

    It's not even about his initial landing in 1492. It's 100% about him making the round trip which led to what came long after the slavery, death and destruction.

    It is about that fact that it eventually brought to this continent the Greatest Experiment in Human History. That being our Democratic Republic based on the two most important Documents ever created by mere mortal Humans, the Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution.

    History is replete with examples of explorers taking advantage of people that were seen at the time as, uncultured, or uncivilized. heathens.

    Where would or whole history have been had this continent not been discovered for another 100 or even 50 years?

    Fact is we are today the SUM of everything we have experienced every minute of our existence and the same is is true of the evolution of any Nation for good or bad, and I believe our Nations effect on the world and everyone on it has been for the better in the long run.

    Imagine what the world would be like had Hitler not been stopped or the Expansionism of Japan, or the USSR not been held in check because of the Cold War.

    Has there things we should never be proud of? Of course, but we need to look forward as we keep in mind the failures of the past and set out to only do better.

    Just my view of the reality that is life.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I really need to learn to write what I have to say in one go instead of editing all the time. I added an entire paragraph after that. lol
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I really need to learn to write what I have to say in one go instead of editing all the time. I added an entire paragraph after that. lol
    The preview function works great but I don't always use it

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I really need to learn to write what I have to say in one go instead of editing all the time. I added an entire paragraph after that. lol
    I do that all the time - usually just spelling or grammar corrections/modifications, but sometimes...

    Thing is, while I usually proofread a post before posting it, sometimes another thought occurs after the fact.

    So, really, I don’t think it’s possible to “write what I have to say in one go”.

    Much like me adding this comment to the above post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The preview function works great but I don't always use it
    And, it slows things down a bit.
    Last edited by The Mark; 10-11-10 at 09:25 PM.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I think it's sort of ridiculous that anyone would want to honor Columbus, someone that really has little to do with the United States itself but has merely been integrated into the popular national consciousness and distorted to such an extent that the story children are told has almost nothing to do with what actually happened. The reality is that him and his crew killed millions of natives through outright killing, disease, seizure of resources, sabotage, etc... Him and his crew raped and murdered women as well. His journey opened up the continent for subsequent bloodbaths by the other conquistadors that led to the destruction of entire populations.

    Yes, he is an "important historical figure". That doesn't mean he should be honored with a holiday. Christ.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If it weren't for greedy, racist sons of bitches, this country wouldn't exist. None of us Americans would exist.

    Think about that next time you want to complain that we're glorifying bad men.
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    The Vikings discovered "America" and before then, the Mongolians(future American natives). This whole thing is silly and non-productive. Man should progress, not regress as the conservatives wish. If Lincoln was a bastard, should we then, be the same?
    Columbus Day? NO, Jonas Salk Day? YES....or a G.W. Carver Day.....this makes more sense.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I just hit quick reply and then go with it. Then after submitting I go, "wait, I should add this". Then that can happen about several times more after that first instance.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I think it's sort of ridiculous that anyone would want to honor Columbus, someone that really has little to do with the United States itself but has merely been integrated into the popular national consciousness and distorted to such an extent that the story children are told has almost nothing to do with what actually happened. The reality is that him and his crew killed millions of natives through outright killing, disease, seizure of resources, sabotage, etc... Him and his crew raped and murdered women as well. His journey opened up the continent for subsequent bloodbaths by the other conquistadors that led to the destruction of entire populations.

    Yes, he is an "important historical figure". That doesn't mean he should be honored with a holiday. Christ.
    It's part of the indoctrination process.

    America great, good, epic, etc.

    Columbus found America, from that instance all our greatness was spawned, thus we must hail him with a day off work for many people.

    Repeat first line.

    Again.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I just hit quick reply and then go with it. Then after submitting I go, "wait, I should add this". Then that can happen about several times more after that first instance.
    Chill man, ain't no big deal.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I'm mostly laughing at myself, because people respond to the unfinished post more often than the finished one. Oh well, I'm still searching in my head how to incorporate Arnold Toynbee in another short paper I have to write about historiography and the American public school classroom :P
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