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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Ah...

    ...so it is okay to damn Columbus to hell for being a man of his time and culture...


    ....but Abe Lincoln gets a pass because, though he was a horrible racist by modern standards, for his time and culture he was maybe less racist than most.





    Sure. Makes perfect sense.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ah...

    ...so it is okay to damn Columbus to hell for being a man of his time and culture...


    ....but Abe Lincoln gets a pass because, though he was a horrible racist by modern standards, for his time and culture he was maybe less racist than most.





    Sure. Makes perfect sense.
    I didn't realize that viciously ruling a group of people and sexually assaulting them was common at the time -- or any time in history. Actions speak louder than words, condemning unsavory language from Lincoln and condeming the brutal and ruthless actions of Columbus are hardly comparable.

    Here's what Columbus wrote to a friend in the year 1500: "A hundred castellanoes (a Spanish coin) are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten (years old) are now in demand."

    He sold children as sex slaves... but hey, didn't everybody sell children as sex slaves back then? No. They didn't. That's absolutely horrific. But if you'd rather condemn Lincoln for being ignorant and holding the belief that blacks are physically inferior to white people, that's your choice.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I don't think he cares, really, since he's dead.

    Thus, he is unable to take advantage of anymore holidays anyway.

    But seriously, you could likely find something negative to say about nearly every single person who has a holiday/celebration in their name anywhere in the world.

    And you could probably find hundreds of people throughout history more deserving of a holiday/celebration in their name than any of those who currently have such.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I didn't realize that viciously ruling a group of people and sexually assaulting them was common at the time -- or any time in history. Actions speak louder than words, condemning unsavory language from Lincoln and condeming the brutal and ruthless actions of Columbus are hardly comparable.
    Lincoln micro-managed the war and ordered the total warfare against the southern states. Such total warfare included murder, rape, burning of food supplies, destroying manufacturing and private property, robbery, and other crimes against humanity done against a civilian population. Let's not forget the intentional mistreatment of CSA POWs in northern camps like Elmyra, NY. You were saying about 'viciously ruling a group of people and sexually assaulthing was common at the time'?

    I also am not saying that Columbus or Lincoln was right, but Lincoln gets a pass due to ignorance of who he really was.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Consider who you would give it to and why.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I didn't realize that viciously ruling a group of people and sexually assaulting them was common at the time -- or any time in history. .
    You should study more history. Brutality we would find almost inconcievable was commonplace for thousands of years, including torturing people for trivial reasons and sexually abusing subordinates.

    You'll note I didn't say Columbus was right. I said Abe was getting a pass for being, by modern standards, a HORRIFIC rascist, simply because.... well, because he's Abe Lincoln.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Ah...

    ...so it is okay to damn Columbus to hell for being a man of his time and culture...

    I haven't noticed many conservatives accepting that excuse when it comes to Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder, born 1879.
    "My God, she thought blacks were inferior. She actually said so. Planned Parenthood is racist, they're trying to genocide black unborn babies, it's all a big evil conspiracy!!"

    It's like, show me a white person born in 1879 who didn't think blacks were inferior.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You should study more history. Brutality we would find almost inconcievable was commonplace for thousands of years, including torturing people for trivial reasons and sexually abusing subordinates.

    You'll note I didn't say Columbus was right. I said Abe was getting a pass for being, by modern standards, a HORRIFIC rascist, simply becuase.... well, becuase he's Abe Lincoln.
    We will never know whether or not Lincoln was racist. We can only judge him by what he said and what he did. His statements could have been made for purely political reasons since most people (the vast majority) believed in the crap he was saying about blacks. But standards of racism change in time, things like selling children as sex slaves really don't. They're evil. Lincoln gets a pass from most people because he signed the emancipation proclamation. As unpleasant as some of his words were, I can understand why he's so revered.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Whatever bad he may have done, he DID discover the Americas
    Except he didn't. That is why I do not think he deserves a holiday. We know the Vikings were here before Columbus, and it is quite likely that many others "discovered" it before him. We should make a bigger deal out of Leif Erikson day.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    We will never know whether or not Lincoln was racist. We can only judge him by what he said and what he did. His statements could have been made for purely political reasons since most people (the vast majority) believed in the crap he was saying about blacks. But standards of racism change in time, things like selling children as sex slaves really don't. They're evil. Lincoln gets a pass from most people because he signed the emancipation proclamation. As unpleasant as some of his words were, I can understand why he's so revered.
    Which is pure ignorance since the Emancipation Proclamation freed not a single slave. The text of it states that he freed slaves not under Union control. Hell he exempts areas in the southern states that were under Union control like New Orleans.

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