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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    If it weren't for greedy, racist sons of bitches, this country wouldn't exist. None of us Americans would exist.

    Think about that next time you want to complain that we're glorifying bad men.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It astounds me that we still honor this horrible, horrible man with a holiday. He was a greedy, racist murderer. Why not commemorate someone or something worthwhile instead?
    Absolutely agree. I've always refused to acknowledge his "day" in any way.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If it weren't for greedy, racist sons of bitches, this country wouldn't exist. None of us Americans would exist.

    Think about that next time you want to complain that we're glorifying bad men.
    I think about it all the time.
    It makes me want to leave the US.
    But just about every industrialized nation was founded on the blood and sweat of either slaves, indigenous peoples, or peasants, so where could I go that would be different.
    That doesn't mean we should glorify the more reprehensible aspects of our heritage, though. Acknowledge, yes. Make amends for, possibly.
    "Celebrate"...? No.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If it weren't for greedy, racist sons of bitches, this country wouldn't exist. None of us Americans would exist.

    Think about that next time you want to complain that we're glorifying bad men.
    Christopher Columbus never even landed in this country. He landed in Cuba, the Bahamas, and Hispaniola. The first European to land in North America (excluding the Vikings) was John Cabot, in 1497. In any case, they were all interchangeable. If Columbus hadn't landed in the West Indies, some other European explorer certainly would have within the next decade.

    There were people who were much more important to the United States than Christopher Columbus. We could have Einstein Day or Tesla Day instead.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I think we should have Adolphus Bush day!!!


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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It astounds me that we still honor this horrible, horrible man with a holiday. He was a greedy, racist murderer. Why not commemorate someone or something worthwhile instead?
    In 1492 Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue . . . and never stepped foot in North America.

    He is very important, however - because he solidified the knowledge of the New World (though not our country/area in particular). But our over-exposure to Columbus and underexposer to other notable figures in history like John Cabot have mislead us greatly.

    They really should honor all of the discoverers who risked (and gave) their lives to travel, discover and colonize the Americas. . . they're are equally important and respecting and teaching about *everyone* individual efforts who brought different steps in the whole process between then and now would be more well-rounded and accurate.

    For how serious important it is to our current existance our misleading teachings and lack of knowledge about *how* we came to be is shamefully pathetic.

    It's such a monumental moment in history - the world as they knew it completely ended and a new one began. Imagine that, right now - if we traveled the Pacific ocean and *discovered* a new gigantic continent - and we had to concede that we've been "wrong about everything" - and rewrite history, pretty much. . . how shocking. That type of shock and surprise shouldn't be wishwashed over like it has been.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I think we should have a Lewis and Clark day instead.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    And......putting the quote into historical context................

    Many white people then believed that blacks were non-human....to be used as property and treated anyway the owner decided. Many white people knew slavery was wrong, but weren't exactly pro-blacks and white being buddy, buddy (this would be Lincoln). There were a few white people that were completely pro-integration.

    By today's standards, anything but the last one would be totally unacceptable. Lincoln and the Republicans took the first step toward civil rights for all in the 1860s. Was he completely angelic in his thoughts? Of course not. Was he a good President? You betcha.
    Yep, good president all right.
    He pretty much started the movement to a strong federal government instead of the original intent of a weak one.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    I think that you can honor a person's achievement without honoring them as a person. If you really want to set the record straight, keep the day and use it to teach people about the atrocities they committed in the course of their exploration and also how their actions paved the way for progress and all its ups and downs. Honoring a lousy individual is bad, but forgetting their importance is worse.

    And regarding Lincoln -- throughout his entire political career, he fought against slavery. I think you have to put his comments about equality in perspective. At the time, what he was saying was extremely controversial and very, very liberal. The Republican party was redefined as a party that fought for blacks and remained that way for the next fifty years.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Everyone deserves a holiday once in a while.
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