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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    He hated non-whites? One of his good friends that he allowed into the White House for conversations was Frederick Douglass.....a non-white. Mary Todd's best friend was a black woman.

    Why would you say he hated non-whites?
    maybe this had something to do with it? although I would venture that perhaps "hate" is a bit strong.

    "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
    sounds pretty damned racist to me.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    He hated non-whites? One of his good friends that he allowed into the White House for conversations was Frederick Douglass.....a non-white. Mary Todd's best friend was a black woman.

    Why would you say he hated non-whites?
    He ran on a platform of keeping the west white, colonizing all freed blacks back to Africa, made numerous racist remarks, etc...

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    maybe this had something to do with it? although I would venture that perhaps "hate" is a bit strong.



    sounds pretty damned racist to me.
    And......putting the quote into historical context................

    Many white people then believed that blacks were non-human....to be used as property and treated anyway the owner decided. Many white people knew slavery was wrong, but weren't exactly pro-blacks and white being buddy, buddy (this would be Lincoln). There were a few white people that were completely pro-integration.

    By today's standards, anything but the last one would be totally unacceptable. Lincoln and the Republicans took the first step toward civil rights for all in the 1860s. Was he completely angelic in his thoughts? Of course not. Was he a good President? You betcha.


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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Columbus Day is probably more about giving the Italians a day to have a parade and get drunk than anything else.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    And......putting the quote into historical context................

    Many white people then believed that blacks were non-human....to be used as property and treated anyway the owner decided. Many white people knew slavery was wrong, but weren't exactly pro-blacks and white being buddy, buddy (this would be Lincoln). There were a few white people that were completely pro-integration.

    By today's standards, anything but the last one would be totally unacceptable. Lincoln and the Republicans took the first step toward civil rights for all in the 1860s. Was he completely angelic in his thoughts? Of course not. Was he a good President? You betcha.
    Here's a good speech by Lincoln on colonization.

    An article about Lincoln and Colonization.

    How many of those presidents actually talked to Congress about colonization?
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Columbus Day is probably more about giving the Italians a day to have a parade and get drunk than anything else.
    Meh the Irish do it better. At least in Boston they do.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Again, where is the evidence that Lincoln HATED non-whites. He believed that it was best for the races to be separate. How does that equal "hate" to you? He wanted slavery to end because it was evil. He thought treating human beings like the Southern plantation owners were was evil. I fail to see the "hate".

    If he hated non-whites, he wouldn't have worked to free the slaves and start the ball rolling with civil rights.


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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Meh the Irish do it better. At least in Boston they do.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Again, where is the evidence that Lincoln HATED non-whites. He believed that it was best for the races to be separate. How does that equal "hate" to you? He wanted slavery to end because it was evil. He thought treating human beings like the Southern plantation owners were was evil. I fail to see the "hate".

    If he hated non-whites, he wouldn't have worked to free the slaves and start the ball rolling with civil rights.
    Except he didn't start the ball rolling. He was dead before the 14th Amendment was even written. His policies set down in 1864 on the western frontier set up the entire genocide of the Plains Indians. But hey if he really liked non-whites he wouldn't have been a member of the American Colonization Society and helped pass the Illinois Constitutional Amendment that prohibited blacks from living there now would he?

    EDIT: I'll even add in that Lincoln publicly blamed blacks for the Civil War and used them as a scapegoat. I guess he must have really liked them to do that right?
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Yep! Lets celebrate Captain Cook day instead

    After all Cook discovered both Australia AND New Zealand whereas Columbus did not even really discover America.
    Much as it pains me to recognise it, as Captain Cook and I are both proud Yorkshiremen, Abel Tasman got there over a century earlier. Cook did not discover Australia, NZ and Tasmania any more than Columbus discovered America, as none of them were ever lost. They were just the first Europeans to manage to reach said lands. Big deal.
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