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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Isn't there a middle ground between giving the land back to the descendants of the people who were here 500 years ago, and honoring a genocidal tyrant with a holiday?
    YES - that would be 250 years ago in 1760, about the time Robert Rodgers wiped out St.Francis in what is now South of the St.Lawrence,Quebec. Really took a big notch out of a lot of Long term Enemy combatant Redskins called the Abanaki who never adjusted well to the New England British but took aome pittences from the French, and a lot of scalps from Frontier people. The Rangers burned up all those scalps.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Besides, Colombus didn't kill millions of his own people. He killed millions of aliens. I don't expect Indians to celebrate Colombus Day.
    How is that relevant? He wasn't American. He was an Italian, who was funded by the Spanish, who landed in Cuba.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    YES - that would be 250 years ago in 1760, about the time Robert Rodgers wiped out St.Francis in what is now South of the St.Lawrence,Quebec. Really took a big notch out of a lot of Long term Enemy combatant Redskins called the Abanaki who never adjusted well to the New England British but took aome pittences from the French, and a lot of scalps from Frontier people. The Rangers burned up all those scalps.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Wow a liberal who gets it and can understands that it's about a single event in time.
    Its both actually. We are right to both judge the past by our current stands and their own.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    South Carolina seceded on December 20, 1860, Major Anderson invaded South Carolina on December 26, 1860 when he moved his troops from Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island to Ft. Sumter in the center of Charleston Harbor. Lincoln sent the Star of the West in January of 1861 to resupply Ft. Sumter and invaded South Carolina's waters. On April 12, a fleet of US Navy ships again invaded South Carolina's waters and attempted to enter the harbor. Lincoln refused to meet with southern diplomats for a peaceful resolution in the months leading up to the defense of Charleston Harbor by the South Carolina State Guard. Lincoln stated in his first inaugural address that if he couldn't collect the taxes, under the Morrell Tariff, from southern ports he would invade and go to war.
    South Carolina is a state, NOT an independent nation.




    What slaves did he free since the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in areas not under Union control? Proper credit for freeing the slaves goes to Andrew Johnson the seventeenth President of the United States since the 14th Amendment was ratified during his term. No President does anything, they are not dictators; Congress is the acting body, forget that Lincoln was assassinated.
    We are high school , movies , TV,and Glen Beck educated , its quite pathetic!


    If you notice in the above list that there are exceptions to the proclamation. Those areas, at the time of the proclamation, were under Union control. He freed not a single slave in areas where he could. Seward and others commented that the proclamation was a symbolic act since Lincoln lacked the authority to issue such a thing under the Constitution. Lincoln only issued the proclamation to keep England, France, and other European countries from recognizing the Confederacy.



    What revisionism is it when the facts bear out what I said is true? Revisionism of Lincoln and his war began after he was assassinated. He was hated by everyone when he was alive.
    Very similar to what President Obama puts up with.
    And, I'd love to see some honesty and open-ness.
    I believe that it was some character(Brown?) who tried to free the slaves, we know how that went!

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    What in God's name are you talking about

    Some of those indigenous "People of Color" that White Liberals can't see as other Flawed potentially corrupt Human beings. This bunch was particularly Nasty.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    South Carolina is a state, NOT an independent nation.
    Treaty of Paris of 1783 and the legal definition of State says differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Treaty of Paris 1783
    His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.
    To make it clear on the definition of viz. means to wit. The treaty was signed thirteen times, one for each of the colonies listed, since the Congress of the Confederation lacked any diplomatic authority.

    I give you the legal definition of state from Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary.

    The several states composing the United States are sovereign and independent, in all things not surrendered to the national government by the constitution, and are considered, on general principles, by each other as foreign states, yet their mutual relations are rather those of domestic independence, than of foreign alienation.
    You were saying about South Carolina not being an indepedent nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    No President does anything, they are not dictators; Congress is the acting body, forget that Lincoln was assassinated.
    Lincoln declared war without consent of Congress. He imprisoned the entire Maryland state legislature without cause to prevent them from voting on secession. He had attempted to arrest without warrant Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger Taney. He shut down and imprisoned anyone in the north that was critical of his policies without warrant or cause. He issued proclamations that were laws of the land without consulting Congress. Lincoln did a lot of things that was the definition of a dictatorship. All of this is a matter of public record and documented. I highly recommend the book American Bastille by John A. Marshall written in 1881.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    We are high school , movies , TV,and Glen Beck educated , its quite pathetic!

    Very similar to what President Obama puts up with.
    And, I'd love to see some honesty and open-ness.
    I believe that it was some character(Brown?) who tried to free the slaves, we know how that went!
    Strawman argument so try again.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    What in God's name are you talking about
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most holidays, besides Christmas and Thanksgiving, are only important if I get a paid day off of work.
    That's really where it ends.

    We don't really celebrate, any of that stuff, in my house.
    So how would one go about celebrating Columbus Day, anyway? Maybe we could symbolically enslave a Native American in his own home for a day.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So how would one go about celebrating Columbus Day, anyway? Maybe we could symbolically enslave a Native American in his own home for a day.

    maybe we should all go and gamble at the rez casinos and give the injuns a bit of reparations.
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