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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Lets see here, he hopped in a wooden boat, sailed across a big bit of water, and back, a couple of times, I'd say that deserves a holiday.
    it took a pair of brass ones back then to contemplate doing what he and his men did. the probability of being shark bait doing something like that was rather high



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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Perhaps we should honor all genocidal tyrants with holidays, then. After all, if it weren't for them, where would we be?
    We're not profiting from the actions of all genocidal tyrants.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    We're not profiting from the actions of all genocidal tyrants.
    And how am I profiting?
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    And how am I profiting?
    Last I checked, Wisconsin wasn't in Europe.

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So was Francisco Pizarro and the other conquistadors.
    Nothing wrong with conquistadores ...

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Last I checked, Wisconsin wasn't in Europe.
    Ah so because I live in Wisconsin and not Europe that means I'm profiting? Is that really your argument?
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Columbus is a hugely important figure in the history of America. He opened up the floodgates for European exploration and colonization of the New World. An earlier post said if Columbus hadn't made his journey, someone else would've within a few decades. That's probably true. Columbus had the benefit of being in the right place at the right time. Almost all important historical figures benefit from being in the right time and place. All men are a product of their times, but that doesn't mean that the individual counts for nothing. There is reason why Christopher Columbus was the man who made that voyage and not Columbus' neighbor or cousin or whoever. He had the vision and the nerve to make it happen, that has to count for something.

    Was Columbus a flawed individual? Did he commit some horrible acts? By our modern standards, definately. Just like almost every other historical figure. Heck, even Mother Theresa has her detractors. No one is perfect, even in the context of their own times. And its incredibly unrealistic to think someone should be held accountable according to a moral code that didn't even exist during their lifetime. The comparison to Lincoln is rather apt. By our modern standards, Lincoln sounds like a vile racist. In his own time, he was the Great Emancipator. Context is everything.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    We're not profiting from the actions of all genocidal tyrants.
    So you're argument is that it's OK to honor tyrants as long as a nation somehow benefited from the tyrant? (Which we didn't in the case of Columbus...he never even set foot in the US, but that's a different story.) Maybe Israel should have Adolf Hitler Day. After all, the state probably wouldn't exist if not for him.
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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

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    Re: Does Christopher Columbus deserve a holiday?

    Most holidays, besides Christmas and Thanksgiving, are only important if I get a paid day off of work.
    That's really where it ends.

    We don't really celebrate, any of that stuff, in my house.
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