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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    You think that corporations have more power than the government?
    I think some people trust the government with as much faith as they hate corporations. usually those who don't have investments or corporate jobs and envy those who do and want the government "to get even" for them.



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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think some people trust the government with as much faith as they hate corporations. usually those who don't have investments or corporate jobs and envy those who do and want the government "to get even" for them.
    Do you think that corporations can be detrimental to the growth of small businesses? My father owns a local electrical contracting company, earns on avg. $300,000 per year, has not invested a dime in the stock market, and obviously does not have a corporate job, yet he harbors a great deal of anamocity toward Corporate America. His views stem from his own experiences with them, mainly, Lockheed-Martin, Johnson Controls, and Northrop Grummond, all of which have done a great deal (at least in our geographic area) to "lock out" competition by smaller contractors. Do you believe that government should not have the capacity to "level the playing field" for smaller businesses in some instances?
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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Do you think that corporations can be detrimental to the growth of small businesses? My father owns a local electrical contracting company, earns on avg. $300,000 per year, has not invested a dime in the stock market, and obviously does not have a corporate job, yet he harbors a great deal of anamocity toward Corporate America. His views stem from his own experiences with them, mainly, Lockheed-Martin, Johnson Controls, and Northrop Grummond, all of which have done a great deal (at least in our geographic area) to "lock out" competition by smaller contractors. Do you believe that government should not have the capacity to "level the playing field" for smaller businesses in some instances?
    yeah the populist angle. I think the government should be limited to what powers were given it in the US constitution. leveling the playing field tends to drop it way down for everyone

    in the long run economies of scale favor bigger corporations or bigger law firms etc. its nature. and while it might cause some evil, its not nearly as evil as people claiming they want to make things fair as a ploy to use the government to punish some and reward themselves.



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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the populist angle. I think the government should be limited to what powers were given it in the US constitution. leveling the playing field tends to drop it way down for everyone

    in the long run economies of scale favor bigger corporations or bigger law firms etc. its nature. and while it might cause some evil, its not nearly as evil as people claiming they want to make things fair as a ploy to use the government to punish some and reward themselves.
    Would you, then, disagree with Theodore Roosevelt's approach to dealing with corporations? Roosevelt believed (witnessed) that many corporations, if left to grow/expand unchecked often worked to undermine the overall growth of business in America. in an optimal scenario (all things being equal sort of set-up) the markets would set their own limits on production by major corporations, however: in today's world (the GLOBAL economy) I believe, as did Roosevelt, that corporations often make decisions which supercede the demand curves of the strictly American markets. You must not forget, our corporations no longer operate in a "closed economy" and the "little guy" still has to be protected. Corporations, for the most part, still have the capital, to just "pick up" and move their assets into another market, the "little guys" don't always have that option.
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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Would you, then, disagree with Theodore Roosevelt's approach to dealing with corporations? Roosevelt believed (witnessed) that many corporations, if left to grow/expand unchecked often worked to undermine the overall growth of business in America. in an optimal scenario (all things being equal sort of set-up) the markets would set their own limits on production by major corporations, however: in today's world (the GLOBAL economy) I believe, as did Roosevelt, that corporations often make decisions which supercede the demand curves of the strictly American markets. You must not forget, our corporations no longer operate in a "closed economy" and the "little guy" still has to be protected. Corporations, for the most part, still have the capital, to just "pick up" and move their assets into another market, the "little guys" don't always have that option.
    TR was pandering for votes



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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    TR was pandering for votes
    No, he honestly wanted to keep corporations in check, because he saw what they could do when they were unregulated. For example, his inaugural speech, after taking over for Mckinley, was to deliver a speech against corporations.
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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    No, he honestly wanted to keep corporations in check, because he saw what they could do when they were unregulated. For example, his inaugural speech, after taking over for Mckinley, was to deliver a speech against corporations.
    with politicians its hard to tell what motivates them-a desire to do good or a desire to do something that alot of voters think is good.



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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    with politicians its hard to tell what motivates them-a desire to do good or a desire to do something that alot of voters think is good.
    With Theodore Roosevelt, who was thrust into the Presidency, I think most people would agree with the former. Now, there really isn't much doubt politicians adhere to the latter, but thats another issue.
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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    They are all equally bad.

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    Re: Which Economic Evil is Worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    With Theodore Roosevelt, who was thrust into the Presidency, I think most people would agree with the former. Now, there really isn't much doubt politicians adhere to the latter, but thats another issue.
    have you ever seen two female mantises placed in a jar? well I sort of see TR and corporations the same way. those who have a large amount of power tend to attack other holders of much power



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