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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by sokpupet View Post
    If you ask me, the Republicans intended to throw this last Presidential election. Are you kidding?! They didn't want their names on the effed up mess left behind by the last eight years of the worst president in history to date. Oh yea, and I do mean they threw this past election with choosing the crypt keeper and then his choosing Sarah Palin. How convinent to let the Dems "hold it" for at least 4 years to maximize an assault on them. It fits right into their chickenhawk mentality. Of course they will take credit for any gains!
    Are you kidding me or are you serious with this post? I think I've read everything by way of political conspiracy theories now.

    The election of Obama was set up by the Republicans because they gave the nod to McCain, just so they could 'assault' the Dems?

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Are you kidding me or are you serious with this post? I think I've read everything by way of political conspiracy theories now.

    The election of Obama was set up by the Republicans because they gave the nod to McCain, just so they could 'assault' the Dems?

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    Can't forget about the gamble they intentionally produced.

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Except that now that the Democrats have busted a filibuster using the Reconciliation Rule, back during the healthcare bill debate, the Republicans are free to bypass any filibusters themselves. Payback is a bitch.
    Actually the Democrats didn't need to use reconciliation to get the health care vote through the Senate. The bill that President Obama signed into law was passed when Democrats had 60 members, the number of votes necessary to invoke cloture.

    The Democrats used reconciliation after the first bill was passed because any changes that would have been made to the Senate bill meant that the Senate would have to vote again on those changes. By that point in the process Scott Brown had succeeded Ted Kennedy as Massachusetts' Senator and became the 41st Republican in the Senate, enough to sustain a filibuster. Nancy Pelosi saw reconciliation as an easier road to take to get the health bill amended with things that would not have been able to make past the Senate since now Republicans had the votes necessary to sustain a filibuster.

    You're right, though, that payback is a bitch. Now if Republicans want to get any of their main pieces of agenda passed, like repealing the health care bill, they will need enough votes to not just override a filibuster, but a presidential veto. At least for the next two years they will have nowhere near the numbers to do either.

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If the GOP does regain power, and this will be difficult, the economy will worsen due to their policy of obstruction..
    Ah, the same old lie...
    The GOP, by virtue of not being able to stop anyting, cannot have obstructed anything -- any difficulty in passing any of The Obama's agenda has come -entirely- from the Dems.

    As far as a GOP-controlled congress "obstructing" The Obamas agenda?
    Yeah -- how DARE they?!?!?

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    Actually the Democrats didn't need to use reconciliation to get the health care vote through the Senate. The bill that President Obama signed into law was passed when Democrats had 60 members, the number of votes necessary to invoke cloture.

    The Democrats used reconciliation after the first bill was passed because any changes that would have been made to the Senate bill meant that the Senate would have to vote again on those changes. By that point in the process Scott Brown had succeeded Ted Kennedy as Massachusetts' Senator and became the 41st Republican in the Senate, enough to sustain a filibuster. Nancy Pelosi saw reconciliation as an easier road to take to get the health bill amended with things that would not have been able to make past the Senate since now Republicans had the votes necessary to sustain a filibuster.

    You're right, though, that payback is a bitch. Now if Republicans want to get any of their main pieces of agenda passed, like repealing the health care bill, they will need enough votes to not just override a filibuster, but a presidential veto. At least for the next two years they will have nowhere near the numbers to do either.
    Actually, though, this is proof of how awful the filibuster is, because it lets one or two politicians take over the entire process and overstate their importance.

    Think about it - the most powerful people in the Senate lately have been Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins - because they're the only Republicans whose voters expect them to be moderate. It also increase the power of a few moderate Democrats like Ben Nelson.

    I like moderates, personally - but I don't like the fact that 4 or 5 people essentially control nearly every piece of legislation that comes through the Senate.

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    I can't believe this is a question even worthy of debate. EVERY politician takes credit for the good things that happen while he's in office and blames the bad stuff on his opponent. It's politics 101.
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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In your hypothetical? Possibly.

    Are we suprised?

    If the republicans take over and the economy worsens due to the policies put in place by Democrats previously, will Democrats blame the republicans on it?

    My guess would be prossibly to that as well.

    That's politics. Its hillarious that you're acting like one side is somehow more above the frey than the others.

    Lets continue hypotheticals. If republicans pass new economic legislation and the economy improves, will Democrats give credit to the republicans or talk about the prosperity under Obama and laud the credit onto him? History tells us the latter.

    I believe you're absolutely spot-on in your suppositions that each side will seek the glory and point the blame, with which ever way your economy goes. I suppose an interesting side-question would be, what happens if the Democrats remain in power, and then the economy improves?

    Anyway, that wasn't the main point of the post -- my main gem of theory is that the Republicans get so much more flak for being radical than the Democrats, because the Republicans (as anyone can admit, for better or worse -- most likely worse at this point) indorse or atleast turn a blind eye to some ridiculously radical splinter groups. The Tea Party? The NeoCons? Evangelical Christain Candidates?

    They're nothing short of extremists, and the glaring problem with saying each side stoops to the other's level, is that the Democrats don't endorse as many splinter groups, nor any of that size or radicality. Furthermore, no splinter candidates on the extreme left have gotten endorsements and campaign money from the Democrats, while plenty of absolutely asinine people (Christine O'Donnell is the most recent) are wearing their Republican Party badge with pride.

    You don't see Stalinist enclaves at the Democratic Convention, while you do unfortunately see Tea Partiers running rampant at Republican Conventions, is what I'm saying.

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I believe you're absolutely spot-on in your suppositions that each side will seek the glory and point the blame, with which ever way your economy goes. I suppose an interesting side-question would be, what happens if the Democrats remain in power, and then the economy improves?

    Anyway, that wasn't the main point of the post -- my main gem of theory is that the Republicans get so much more flak for being radical than the Democrats, because the Republicans (as anyone can admit, for better or worse -- most likely worse at this point) indorse or atleast turn a blind eye to some ridiculously radical splinter groups. The Tea Party? The NeoCons? Evangelical Christain Candidates?

    They're nothing short of extremists, and the glaring problem with saying each side stoops to the other's level, is that the Democrats don't endorse as many splinter groups, nor any of that size or radicality. Furthermore, no splinter candidates on the extreme left have gotten endorsements and campaign money from the Democrats, while plenty of absolutely asinine people (Christine O'Donnell is the most recent) are wearing their Republican Party badge with pride.

    You don't see Stalinist enclaves at the Democratic Convention, while you do unfortunately see Tea Partiers running rampant at Republican Conventions, is what I'm saying.
    Answer to post and bolded portion especially - It's the left-wing media complex, of course, only showing the bad in the republicans, not their democrat masters..../sarcasm

    But seriously, I think you are overplaying the "extremists" you mention. If the “tea party” (which is, I believe, a more of a coalition of smaller groups) stands for what I think it does (smaller gov, lower taxes, less spending), then I agree with them in theory, if not necessarily on the details (as I don’t know what those are).

    Of those three, I would probably consider the third you mention “Evangelical Christian candidates”, to be the most extreme – I’m far more “conservative” in fiscal terms than in social terms.

    But then, I haven’t really been paying that much attention to the “tea party” lately, so you could be correct as too it’s extremeness.
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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Answer to post and bolded portion especially - It's the left-wing media complex, of course, only showing the bad in the republicans, not their democrat masters..../sarcasm

    But seriously, I think you are overplaying the "extremists" you mention. If the “tea party” (which is, I believe, a more of a coalition of smaller groups) stands for what I think it does (smaller gov, lower taxes, less spending), then I agree with them in theory, if not necessarily on the details (as I don’t know what those are).

    Of those three, I would probably consider the third you mention “Evangelical Christian candidates”, to be the most extreme – I’m far more “conservative” in fiscal terms than in social terms.

    But then, I haven’t really been paying that much attention to the “tea party” lately, so you could be correct as too it’s extremeness.

    While I'm absolutely opposed to the concept of conservative social policy, and most conservative economic policy, I recognise it as a legitimate political viewpoint, and one's life experiences may lead someone to be more sympathetic to the conservative viewpoint.

    That's alright.


    The Tea-Party, however, has consistently shown itself to be totally unconcerned with conservative-style fiscal or social policies -- in numerous psuedo-interviews floating around the web, Tea-Partyers can be seen to near-violently oppose several major conservative standpoints, when the interviewer claims the Democrats are interested in their implementation.

    The Tea-Party, whatever it started out as (though I suspect it started out much the same as it is now, only smaller), is now an extremist group for anyone who hates the government -- the Tea Partyers make ludicrous statements about Draconian topics, like the re-institution of homosexual execution, the banning of all public healthcare, dismantlement of the unions, mass deportation of all illegal immigrants, and in some cases, revolution to take "Kenyan-born Muslim Obama out of the White House office that he stole".

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    Re: If the repubs regain the house and the econmy improves will they take credit for

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    While I'm absolutely opposed to the concept of conservative social policy, and most conservative economic policy, I recognise it as a legitimate political viewpoint, and one's life experiences may lead someone to be more sympathetic to the conservative viewpoint.

    That's alright.


    The Tea-Party, however, has consistently shown itself to be totally unconcerned with conservative-style fiscal or social policies -- in numerous psuedo-interviews floating around the web, Tea-Partyers can be seen to near-violently oppose several major conservative standpoints, when the interviewer claims the Democrats are interested in their implementation.

    The Tea-Party, whatever it started out as (though I suspect it started out much the same as it is now, only smaller), is now an extremist group for anyone who hates the government -- the Tea Partyers make ludicrous statements about Draconian topics, like the re-institution of homosexual execution, the banning of all public healthcare, dismantlement of the unions, mass deportation of all illegal immigrants, and in some cases, revolution to take "Kenyan-born Muslim Obama out of the White House office that he stole".
    Personally, I would lean towards thinking that those are the extreme "tea party" members.

    I seriously doubt they all think that way.

    But, again, I haven't really looked into it much at all.
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