View Poll Results: What conditions for government assistance/welfare?

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  • Time limits

    20 71.43%
  • Must look for work/better work

    28 100.00%
  • School/community service substitute

    18 64.29%
  • Random drug testing

    19 67.86%
  • Mandatory/highly encouraged birth control

    13 46.43%
  • No extra monetary amounts for more children

    16 57.14%
  • Food stamp limits (what bought, how much given)

    17 60.71%
  • WIC-like food stamps

    9 32.14%
  • System is fine the way it is

    1 3.57%
  • Other

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    What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    I was thinking about some of the changes I would like to see to welfare programs that I think would cut down on abuse and hopefully encourage more people to find work and/or better themselves and their lives to get off of welfare altogether eventually.

    I would love to see everyone applying for welfare to either have a full-time job or be looking for full-time work. I do understand that there aren't necessarily enough jobs out there, especially now, to actually employ everyone, so I would suggest so many hours of school and/or approved community service be sufficient to make up for not finding a job.

    I like the idea of making foodstamps a program more like WIC that greatly restricts what can and cannot be bought. I believe that this would work best to cut down on waste and possibly help poorer people eat better. I don't know if it would actually cut costs however. This would definitely take some research before it could be completely implemented, but the idea is still worth trying.

    And I am for random drug testing and highly encouraged, if not mandatory, birth control. I don't think people should get more actual public money for having more children. If all the other things are implemented, it wouldn't actually be needed. Although it might be a good idea to figure out some way to help with getting baby needs so that the money can't be spent on other things.

    I believe that anyone who doesn't put forth the effort to improve their lives and situation, should not ride on the shirttails of others. I do approve of welfare, in general, just not the way that it is currently done. There are way too many areas for abuse from what I've seen.

    Maybe some people have some other suggestions and I'm sure there will be people who don't approve of at least one, if not several of my suggestions. That's what the discussion's for.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I was thinking about some of the changes I would like to see to welfare programs that I think would cut down on abuse and hopefully encourage more people to find work and/or better themselves and their lives to get off of welfare altogether eventually.
    If they don't have a job then require them to go to a job placement agency. Community service required for 1 week for every 1 month without a job. I say 1 week because they should be looking for a job and if all they do is community service then they won't have time to look for a job.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I like the idea of making foodstamps a program more like WIC that greatly restricts what can and cannot be bought. I believe that this would work best to cut down on waste and possibly help poorer people eat better. I don't know if it would actually cut costs however. This would definitely take some research before it could be completely implemented, but the idea is still worth trying.
    No thanks. Just because people are poor gives us no right to tell them what they can and cannot eat. Make em work doing community service fine. But don't tell people what they can/cannot do.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I am for random drug testing and highly encouraged, if not mandatory, birth control. I don't think people should get more actual public money for having more children. If all the other things are implemented, it wouldn't actually be needed. Although it might be a good idea to figure out some way to help with getting baby needs so that the money can't be spent on other things.
    Drug testing, sure. Mandatory birth control? HELL NO. First, accidents happen no matter how careful a person is having sex. Second, I don't care what kind of assistance they are getting from the government or anyone else for that matter NO ONE has the right to force someone into trying not to have a baby. I don't care what the circumstances are. And to be honest even suggesting it is highly offensive...and I'm being nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I believe that anyone who doesn't put forth the effort to improve their lives and situation, should not ride on the shirttails of others. I do approve of welfare, in general, just not the way that it is currently done. There are way too many areas for abuse from what I've seen.
    Abuse is able to be done because of incorrect or lax policies or case workers just not giving a ****. Fix those and you'll find that abuse will be curtailed alot.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    I'm thinking that government assistance should be in the form of material rather than money. Or maybe it should be accomplished through a job, such as in a restaurant where the recipient is trained in the preparation of meals. They can take these skills home to benefit their families. Another job could be related to home maintenance where they work for a company and are trained on the job these basic skills which they can use to maintain their own residence.

    Something along those lines.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Welfare should be limited to 3 years, during which time, a recipient who is in decent health ought to be required to attend school to learn a trade and do some form of work, even if it's picking up trash along the freeway. When welfare runs out, it runs out and cannot be re-applied for for at least 5 years. At the time you apply, whatever children you have at the time (plus any you discover in the following 2 months, to account for unknown pregnancies) are all that will be figured into your award. If you have any more thereafter, you will not get a penny more. Government sponsored birth control will be available for those who wish to make use of it, but under all circumstances, what you've got is all you're getting credit for. Random drug testing is also important, as well as knowing exactly where the money is being spent and on what. No vacations, no trips, no nothing. If you can afford a vacation, you don't need welfare. Get a damn job.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm thinking that government assistance should be in the form of material rather than money. Or maybe it should be accomplished through a job, such as in a restaurant where the recipient is trained in the preparation of meals. They can take these skills home to benefit their families. Another job could be related to home maintenance where they work for a company and are trained on the job these basic skills which they can use to maintain their own residence.

    Something along those lines.
    I think the general principal of any sort of welfare is that the people should leave the system better than they came into it. Job training is one way to do that.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    None, as in no government assistance. Life's tough. Suck it up. Gov't isn't supposed to be mommy and daddy.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Time limits

    yes

    Must look for work/better work

    Yes. Government assistance like wellfare and foodstamps is a helping hand not a hand out.

    School/community service substitute

    maybe a week once a month.

    Random drug testing

    Of course. If you can't support a family on your own then you have no business engaging in recreational drugs and this includes smoking and alcohol.

    Mandatory/highly encouraged birth control

    Makes complete sense. If you can not support the kids you already have on your own then you have no business having any more.


    No extra monetary amounts for more children

    I agree. This is to ensure that no one can exploit the system.

    Food stamp limits (what bought, how much given)

    Certain foods should be off limit especially luxury items like soda, koolaid, energy drinks, doughnuts, candy, cakes and etc. If someone on foodstamps wants those things then they can make them from scratch. I also think expensive cuts of meat, seafood and other high dollar food items should be banned as well. Food stamps are a helping hand not a hand out, that is my money they are spending.


    WIC-like food stamps

    That would probably be a much better idea than just foodstamps of foodstamp cards.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    I have always thought that the spirit of the unemployment/welfare idea(s) was to help someone stay alive until they could get back on their feet and support themselves.

    As opposed to what I think is far too often (as in, at all) just supporting people who don't even bother to try getting back on their feet.

    It doesn't help that the cheapest foods are often the most unhealthy.
    As for the poll options, I went with:
    Time limits.
    Yes.
    Must look for work/better work
    Yes.
    School/community service substitute
    Yes.
    Random drug testing
    Yes.
    Mandatory/highly encouraged birth control.
    Didn't vote for it, but that's because I managed to miss the "highly encouraged" bit.
    No extra monetary amounts for more children.
    Yes. Especially if they opt not to use the highly encouraged birth control.
    Food stamp limits (what bought, how much given).
    Yes, see below.
    WIC-like food stamps
    Not sure what that is, exactly. If it's an attempt to regulate what people eat, I would rather it incentivizes better food choices, perhaps by assigning a slightly higher food stamp cost to foods that are blatantly unhealthy, but not restricting people.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by VaiT View Post
    None, as in no government assistance. Life's tough. Suck it up. Gov't isn't supposed to be mommy and daddy.
    so says the 'moderate'...

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If they don't have a job then require them to go to a job placement agency. Community service required for 1 week for every 1 month without a job. I say 1 week because they should be looking for a job and if all they do is community service then they won't have time to look for a job.



    No thanks. Just because people are poor gives us no right to tell them what they can and cannot eat. Make em work doing community service fine. But don't tell people what they can/cannot do.



    Drug testing, sure. Mandatory birth control? HELL NO. First, accidents happen no matter how careful a person is having sex. Second, I don't care what kind of assistance they are getting from the government or anyone else for that matter NO ONE has the right to force someone into trying not to have a baby. I don't care what the circumstances are. And to be honest even suggesting it is highly offensive...and I'm being nice.



    Abuse is able to be done because of incorrect or lax policies or case workers just not giving a ****. Fix those and you'll find that abuse will be curtailed alot.
    I don't think it wrong to encourage people to go on birth control. I understand that it would be pretty impossible to actually get a mandatory BC deal passed, just for the very fact that not everyone can be on birth control. Highly encouraged bc though, along with not providing any extra money for extra children encourages those on assistance to actually care about what is best for their financial future, and would help to reduce unwanted pregnancies and abortions, either of which would be an unnecessary extra expense for someone/a family who is already having financial troubles. Most states offer free birth control to women on any form of assistance. And many health departments will give you free condoms at visits.

    I don't see a problem whatsoever with restricting what someone can buy using other people's money. If those on assistance want snacks and sodas and other luxuries, they can get them with money they earn, otherwise they can deal with what the government gives them. Beggars can't be choosers.
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