View Poll Results: What conditions for government assistance/welfare?

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  • Time limits

    20 71.43%
  • Must look for work/better work

    28 100.00%
  • School/community service substitute

    18 64.29%
  • Random drug testing

    19 67.86%
  • Mandatory/highly encouraged birth control

    13 46.43%
  • No extra monetary amounts for more children

    16 57.14%
  • Food stamp limits (what bought, how much given)

    17 60.71%
  • WIC-like food stamps

    9 32.14%
  • System is fine the way it is

    1 3.57%
  • Other

    4 14.29%
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i wonder what percentage of moms on welfare have 7 kids?

    again it is irrelevent. the question was: what to do with those who would refuse to comply with these hypothetical restrictions on getting welfare. hypothetically, those getting welfare should either comply with any requirements or lose the benefits and if that leads to suffering and or death then it is their own damn fault for not complying

    you are the one who threw in the red herring of able bodied people without kids don't get welfare.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    again it is irrelevent. the question was: what to do with those who would refuse to comply with these hypothetical restrictions on getting welfare. hypothetically, those getting welfare should either comply with any requirements or lose the benefits and if that leads to suffering and or death then it is their own damn fault for not complying

    you are the one who threw in the red herring of able bodied people without kids don't get welfare.
    ok....half the people who receive "welfare" are elderly or disabled. the other half are families headed by single parents. i am not arguing that we don't need reform, i am arguing that moms on welfare aren't necessarily pieces of ****, as you so eloquently put. there are many way to look at reform, letting people starve isn't on my list.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    OK, then, I'll have to answer my own question.

    You can't allow people to starve amidst plenty, as they won't comply with that, either. They will find a way, which is more than likely to included stealing or other illegal activities. Further, allowing children to starve because of the irresponsibility of their parents is immoral, and not going to be supported by anyone.

    So, instead of the stick, think of the carrot. People who work should have more and better than people who don't. Those in training to work should have more and better than those who don't try.

    There is a place for the stick, too, as people who will not get off of drugs and take care of themselves and their children should lose those children, at least temporarily. Raising children to fend for themselves in the street as some do is not helping anyone.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    ok....half the people who receive "welfare" are elderly or disabled. the other half are families headed by single parents. i am not arguing that we don't need reform, i am arguing that moms on welfare aren't necessarily pieces of ****, as you so eloquently put. there are many way to look at reform, letting people starve isn't on my list.
    if they refuse to comply with a few basic simple restriction...then letting them starve should be on the list. If they can't be bothered to take any action on their own behalf, they don't deserve to live.

    I would have as much sympathy for them as I would for a guy who starves to death in a room full of food because he was too lazy to pick up a can opener.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if they refuse to comply with a few basic simple restriction...then letting them starve should be on the list. If they can't be bothered to take any action on their own behalf, they don't deserve to live.
    thanks, god.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thanks, god.
    so where would you draw the line? would you buy the food and deliver it to them? would you go and cook for them? would you serve them? would you put the freakin spoon into their mouth for them? where would you draw the line at holding people responsible for their own well being?
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    here...I will give you this check but you have to go out and look for a job

    I don't want to have to look for a job

    well, sorry I can't give you the check.


    what is the freakin problem with that scenario?
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so where would you draw the line? would you go and cook for them? would you serve them? would you put the freakin spoon into their mouth for them? where would you draw the line at holding people responsible for their own well being?
    actually i do serve them. it's called a soup kitchen. i don't worry about why the people are there.

    putting more kids in a broken foster care system isn't the amswer. the answer is to change the culture. most states have workfare programs, and some have time limits for welfare recipients. but to expect that everyone can find a job in this economy is nuts. it won't happen.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thanks, god.
    Yes - because expecting people to take even the most minimum of responsibility for themselves is just too much.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes - because expecting people to take even the most minimum of responsibility for themselves is just too much.
    who said that?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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