View Poll Results: What conditions for government assistance/welfare?

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  • Time limits

    20 71.43%
  • Must look for work/better work

    28 100.00%
  • School/community service substitute

    18 64.29%
  • Random drug testing

    19 67.86%
  • Mandatory/highly encouraged birth control

    13 46.43%
  • No extra monetary amounts for more children

    16 57.14%
  • Food stamp limits (what bought, how much given)

    17 60.71%
  • WIC-like food stamps

    9 32.14%
  • System is fine the way it is

    1 3.57%
  • Other

    4 14.29%
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Thread: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    If you're not looking for work and you're able to work then why do you deserve money? And to make sure that you are really wanting to work, then you should have to have a job or doing community service to be eligible.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    I voted for every last one of them.

    There should definitely be a time limit - I'd say six months is plenty of time.

    As far as work/school/community service I voted yes as a conglomerate. You must be doing at least one of those full time, all the time. I consider community service akin to work because you're still trading a service for goods. That's the staple definition of any job, really.

    Absolute mandatory drug testing. If you're on the dole, you shouldn't be on drugs and, frankly, you shouldn't be able to afford drugs. One strike and you're out on this - all random, and the first fail means the checks stop immediately and permanently.

    Birth control should also be mandatory. Today, poverty just breeds more poverty, and it's irresponsible for taxpayers to subsidize bad decisions like a woman bringing a child into the world she can't afford, specifically when she cannot afford even herself.

    Children should not increase the threshold, because women would be encouraged to go get knocked up for a larger check. They don't see their children as children, just another dollar sign on the welfare check.

    Finally, a WIC-like system very well regulated. A woman doesn't need to be feeding herself or kids on junk food, soda, or anything but staples. Your financial footprint should be as light as possible.

    I think of welfare like jail. You take away the frills, you take away the desire to milk it. I think if more people viewed prison as a Shawshank-like platform instead of a place you get hot meals, a roof and cable TV, you'd get fewer people trying to stay behind bars instead of tackling the real world like the rest of us.

    If you make welfare a struggle to make ends, then you'd find more people encouraged to get off it. These days you have far, far too many people whose ultimate goal is to get on assistance and drain it for every dime they can get. When that cycle ends, only then can you fix the problem.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think of welfare like jail. You take away the frills, you take away the desire to milk it. I think if more people viewed prison as a Shawshank-like platform instead of a place you get hot meals, a roof and cable TV, you'd get fewer people trying to stay behind bars instead of tackling the real world like the rest of us.

    If you make welfare a struggle to make ends, then you'd find more people encouraged to get off it. These days you have far, far too many people whose ultimate goal is to get on assistance and drain it for every dime they can get. When that cycle ends, only then can you fix the problem.

    agreed, the current welfare system does nothing to encourage people to leave the system. I remember back to the days when I was struggling to support my family and finish my degree, I knew people on welfare that had a much higher standard of living than I did.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    agreed, the current welfare system does nothing to encourage people to leave the system. I remember back to the days when I was struggling to support my family and finish my degree, I knew people on welfare that had a much higher standard of living than I did.
    really? just where did you live?

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    I would replace 'random drug testing' with 'mandatory drug testing'.
    I would also add a national criminal background check for outstanding warrants.
    Failure of either means denial of benefits.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? just where did you live?
    north alabama. I was working construction for $6/hr and taking 21 hours a semester, living in a ****ty 2 bedroom apartment and eating beans and rice 3-4 days a week. I knew people on welfare that were living in section 8 housing with 3 bedrooms, getting $250-300/month in food stamps and sitting on their ass all day doing nothing.

    I went in and applied for foodstamps and was told I would have to sell my car (a '64 volkswagon) to qualify since the car was an "asset". When I asked them how I would get to work if I sold my car, they looked at me like I was crazy.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I would replace 'random drug testing' with 'mandatory drug testing'.
    I would also add a national criminal background check for outstanding warrants.
    Failure of either means denial of benefits.

    good idea, when they come in to pick up the check, they pee in a cup.
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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    I voted foodstamp limits and must be looking for work. The other stuff is none of the government's business and people should not become slaves to privacy invasions in order to get assistance. If you are an ailing drug addict, for example, then that is going to make it hard to find work, and so that will be demonstrated anyway. If you are on drugs but can still find work then I say who cares. Job performance is not relevant to that.

    Controlling people's reproduction is not an option. The government is openly offering positive incentives and baby bonuses right now; that is different than calculating someone's entitlement based on how many children they have. One is reproductive policy (and it's wrong), and the other is simply accounting.

    Community service... well, on paper it's nice, but volunteering would make finding paying work the opportunity cost, and would increase reliance on government even more.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    north alabama. I was working construction for $6/hr and taking 21 hours a semester, living in a ****ty 2 bedroom apartment and eating beans and rice 3-4 days a week. I knew people on welfare that were living in section 8 housing with 3 bedrooms, getting $250-300/month in food stamps and sitting on their ass all day doing nothing.

    I went in and applied for foodstamps and was told I would have to sell my car (a '64 volkswagon) to qualify since the car was an "asset". When I asked them how I would get to work if I sold my car, they looked at me like I was crazy.
    alabama used to have one of the stingiest welfare programs in the country, although i've never heard of having to sell your car to get foodstamps. i don't see how anybody had any kind of standard of living way back then....the benefits were incredibly low.

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    Re: What conditions would place on receiving government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    alabama used to have one of the stingiest welfare programs in the country, although i've never heard of having to sell your car to get foodstamps. i don't see how anybody had any kind of standard of living way back then....the benefits were incredibly low.
    I was suprised as well. but the way they explained it to me was that in order to qualify for food stamps you could not have any real property assets and since I owned my car outright it was considered an asset that I could sell for cash to buy food. even though it was over 20 years old and worth about $500. but yet some POS making payments on a cadilac could get food stamps because they didn't "own" the car.
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