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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the fire department was neither right or wrong. They were lawful. They have no legal responsibility to attend to fires outside of the area they are assigned. They also have no legal responsibility to attend to fires to the people in the county who refused to pay the taxation. I own a house outside of Montreal, Canada. The fact that it's about 45 mins to an hour outside of a metropolitan area means that there is a high probability that if our house will catch on fire, the firefighters in the nearest town won't have time to get to it as it's a pretty rural area. It's a chance we took when we bought the house. These people likewise were too cheap to pay what is essentially a $75 tax to have firefighting service. I don't know why. I don't care really. What I do know is that they got exactly as they deserve. As I stated in another thread: If you want the government's help, pay your taxes.
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Given that, these days, people sue over just about everything, anyone who steps across their authoritative boundaries is stupid to do so. This would include a fire department.

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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They were wrong. Someone could have died, and the blood would have been on their hands. They should have fought the fire, and charged them after.

    Though, this kind of system shouldn't be in place anyway. Things like these, should not be privatized.
    I agree. Send them the bill and take proper legal recourse.

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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree. Send them the bill and take proper legal recourse.
    yeah, and how many people have outstanding financial judgements against them in this country?
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not making up anything. It's poor public policy. The poorest, as far as I'm concerned.

    In my neck of the woods, which seems to make a difference, this is absolutely unheard of. Everyone has fire protection provided by pre-designated fire departments. No bills are sent because the fee-for-service is included in everyone's property tax bills.

    Please tell me you don't check to see if someone's property tax bill is current before you respond to a domestic dispute. Please.

    The fire department's sole purpose is to put out fires. Had they been asked by a nearby community to assist in a large fire, off they'd go. But here, they checked their records, saw the guy hadn't paid his $75, and let the freakin' house burn down. Inexcusable, imo.
    Your still failing to give this a good understanding.

    Lets give a good example that relates to me.

    I work off duty at a high school during football season for security at home games. I have the unfortunate duty of closing down the front entrance after the parking lot fills up and not letting anyone get in, due to people parking behind other people, in the grass areas that the school wants to preserve, etc. We inform those who can't park due to the lot being full that they can park at a school about 1/4 mile up the road. They instead park in the grass across the street from the school (4 lane road) and walk across the roadway. I have been informed NOT to stop traffic for the pedestrians crossing the roadway. Parking had been designated for these individuals at another location, and they chose not to park there. If I get out in traffic and try to stop cars to let the pedestrians cross, and for some reason I get run over by a car (which happens alot to officers directing traffic across the US), my medical expenses, worker's compsensation, and even in the event of death, life insurance will not cover the cost because I was acting outside of my duties with the off-duty employer, in this case being the school.

    You have to understand that if people violate their policy or orders from their superiors in situations like this, the employer is not liable for their injuries.


    I don't feel like I should throw my family's wellbeing down the toilet to try to help everyone else all the time. And neither should these firefighters.
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Does not justify fire fighters watch it burn
    Yes it does.

    Knowing that my injuries wouldn't be covered, my life wouldn't be covered, my family wouldn't get a dime if I died trying to fight that man's fire is all the justification I need not to fight it.
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The don't think the fire department was wrong. The guy didn't pay for the service, so he shouldn't be able to enjoy the benefits of that service. However, this whole situation was handled very badly.

    The county that the guy lives in is very much in the wrong for not providing fire protection to the people who live in that county.

    The fire department could have handled things better by simply putting out the fire and then giving the guy a bill for their services (and making it expensive enough that $75/year is an attractive option)

    If the county persists in not providing their own fire department, they should pass a law making it mandatory to pay the $75/year to the other town for the services of their fire department.

    The really sad part of the story is that the neighbor of the house that originally caught fire also had their house damaged. Something needs to change so that that kind of stuff doesn't happen again.

    I'll say it again since nobody read it the first time.

    The residents of this county had TWO DECADES to elect county officials who would do something about the fire coverage situation if it was a concern to them. It is obvious through this 20 years of inaction that everyone in this particular county was happy and content with their current system of fire protection.

    Who are we to tell them what they really want/need if they didn't set it up after 20 years?
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Who are we to tell them what they really want/need if they didn't set it up after 20 years?
    Why don't you understand that you are -entitled- to a service provided by a government that you do not pay taxes to?
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    After mulling it overi n another thread I think the guy was a douche - it seems he didn't pay on purpose and his attitude was crappy. He knew his house was likely to be engulfed (when eventually it was after several hours) but didn't lift his own little nubbs to help his animals - and then tried to pin it all on the firefighters.

    However - on a moral and accountability level - the firefighters have now brought a heap of problems on them. People *trust* them to do their job. What if there was a clerical error which shows that "someone didn't pay their due" - but they actually did and *if* they had some time they could get a statement from the bank to prove it.

    If you're a full time, paid firefighter - fighting fires is your job. . . deal with the riff raff AFTER you do your job.

    If it's money - then the people who should deal with that are the bill-intakes and others who live in the realm at the office.
    I agree.

    And I think full time NYPD Detectives should come down to NC and handle the crime committed against me.......
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    Re: Was the fire department right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    For the christians that hypocritically support libertarian economic policy.

    "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil" - The bible.

    Not that I'm a christian.. just sayin.

    I truly believe for a fire department to sit and watch this mans house burn down was wrong .. insured or not. It is a statement on the morality of society when you see so many in support of not helping this character out. I think it is a disgusting mentality/morality and anarchist to renege help for this man as he watched his life go up in flames.

    Yes people need to pay taxes to have public service.. yes people need to pay for private services. The private costs more in many instances. But that doesn't excuse these people as humans. The Nazi's in the second world war whether they agreed with what they were doing were "just following orders".. well so were these firemen.
    I also think it is disgusting for a group of people to condemn the firefighters for not going outside of their duties, and thus outside of their protection (medical, life, worker's compensation) to fight a fire where, if injured, they would go into the poor house, and if killed, their families wouldn't be properly compsensated for their loss 'in the line of duty'.

    Especially when this is coming from the same society that is such sheep they won't lift a finger to help another human being themselves when they are right there at the time because "thats what the cops are for" and watch as a girl at a coffee house in a college town gets stabbed to death.

    Most citizens are sheep and have no right to talk on this issue.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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