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    Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    So, I was perusing one of the recent threads on Immigration, and these questions occurred to me:

    Can a case be made for construction of walls/fences/barriers on some or all of the land borders (and perhaps some sea borders? Dunno how that would work...) of the US?

    If you support such, why?

    If you oppose such, Why?

    And, whether you support or oppose such, are there variables involved that might convince you to switch?

    And other questions in that vein.
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    And, to answer my own question.

    Hmm, "Other", I think.

    I personally think border walls/fences/barriers have a couple basic and multiple more complicated pros and cons.

    A basic pro is that a barrier (in theory, if built correctly) would free up border patrol agents to watch areas where fences were not, or places most likely to have people attempt a breach.

    A basic con ties directly into the pro - If border agents are not watching an area, someone might find a way to breach the barrier without attracting notice. Then again, that could happen even if...

    So over all, that might be a slight pro.

    There are many more complicated pros/cons, as I see it.

    There's political and moral considerations (more so the first, probably).

    Depending on how the barrier is constructed (land mines are probably a bad idea, although effective ), other issues might arise.

    Monetary (as in, how much spent on initial costs and upkeep for the barrier) is surely a consideration, as depending on how it is funded, issues could arise - For example, if it were funded like the military [outside the navy, I think], congress could simply stop funding it if they so desired, and it might fall into disrepair.

    But, overall, I would probably support a limited (as in, only in some sections, to “funnel” any persons wishing to cross the border) barrier of a non-damaging nature (as in, no nuclear land mines ).

    That said, the cost : benefit ratio would need to be favorable as well (as in, it would probably be too expensive to build a barrier in this area, and due to the nature (pun intended) of said area, not many people attempt to cross anyway.

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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    No, a thousands times no. They will not work, people will be able to go over and under any fence built. Very expensive to build and maintain, We need comprehensive immigration reform.


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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    I don't think they'll work, and I don't want my tax revenue to go towards them. There are other ways to deal with the illegal immigration problem, namely legalize drugs here so Mexico, Latin America, and South America can develop their economies from those markets instead of having them be control by criminal cartels.

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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, a thousand times no. They will not work, people will be able to go over and under any fence built. Very expensive to build and maintain, We need comprehensive immigration reform.
    Well, really, I was thinking more along the lines of preventing those who would not immigrate legally even if the process took 5 mins of filling out paperwork, and a picture.

    Sure, they are a probably a minority (at least, along the southern border) of the total, but they are the ones I am most concerned about keeping out of the country.

    Terrorists, criminals, drug transporters, etc.

    They most likely have no desire to be on any kind of list voluntarily, so immigration reform (as in, I assume, streamlining of some sort, among other things) would have little effect on such.
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Land mines.

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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    Land mines.

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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You win.

    Nuclear mines.

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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    nay and remove the incentives causing such a porous border, primarily by ending the multi billion dollar incentive to cross our border that black market drug distribution creates, no wall will stop the motivation to find a way in created by this potential revenue.

    We build a 20 foot wall, they tunnel under it or get a 22 foot ladder.

    We also need a MUCH better system to verify a potential employees status before hire, and enforce severe penalties for knowingly employing someone who is not legally entitled to work here (as well as putting the illegal worker on a bus back home when they are caught).
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    nay and remove the incentives causing such a porous border, primarily by ending the multi billion dollar incentive to cross our border that black market drug distribution creates, no wall will stop the motivation to find a way in created by this potential revenue.
    Well, it depends on the wall.

    And how, exactly, would you remove the drug "black market"?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    We build a 20 foot wall, they tunnel under it or get a 22 foot ladder.
    I don't think any sane person would suggest just a simple wall, if we actually decided to build a barrier of some sort...

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    We also need a MUCH better system to verify a potential employees status before hire, and enforce severe penalties for knowingly employing someone who is not legally entitled to work here (as well as putting the illegal worker on a bus back home when they are caught).
    Agreed.

    Perhaps, we have a barrier with multiple automated documentation stations that take DNA samples (for examination later, till tech is improved), fingerprints, pictures, and such, in a time frame of 5-30 mins, thereafter the entrant has a work visa?

    Oh, and of course, nuclear land mines.
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