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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    On the Mexico border and there should be landmines along with orders of shoot to kill.
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, a thousands times no. They will not work, people will be able to go over and under any fence built. Very expensive to build and maintain, We need comprehensive immigration reform.
    Ditto! If the Vietcong could go over a fence under fire with a homemade ladder I don't see how a motivated allien can't do it when no one is watching.

    Wouldn't it make more sense and be cheaper to enforce the laws here regarding hiring illegals therefore eliminating the incentive to come here?
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Yes, although it doesn't necessarily have to be physical fences, or solely physical fences. I'm all in favor of using whatever technological devices we can that will stop anyone and everyone from crossing the border illegally, including lethal force.
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Ditto! If the Vietcong could go over a fence under fire with a homemade ladder I don't see how a motivated alien can't do it when no one is watching.

    Wouldn't it make more sense and be cheaper to enforce the laws here regarding hiring illegals therefore eliminating the incentive to come here?
    Again, no sane person, given today's tech, is likely to suggest a simple wall.

    Cameras, lasers, satellites, drones, etc., etc.

    And it’s not the working illegal immmigrants I’m most worried about – it’s the criminals and terrorists.
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    The majestic North American Cheetah. About 10,000 or 15,000 should do it.

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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well, it depends on the wall.

    And how, exactly, would you remove the drug "black market"?
    Legalized drugs and controlled distribution.

    The full "how exactly" and the reasons and arguments behind this position are beyond the scope of this thread (feel free to look at my signature link though), but our border situation is created in a large part by our drug policy and our drug demand.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't think any sane person would suggest just a simple wall, if we actually decided to build a barrier of some sort...
    My statement on the 22' ladder was for the most part figurative, but how much money are we to throw at this? that is ~2200 miles of fence there to go high tech on, and it still probably would not work. There is still that issue of a massive incentive to find holes in it, smugglers will find a way through.
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Legalized drugs and controlled distribution.

    The full scope of the "how exactly" and the reasons and arguments behind this position are beyond the scope of this thread (feel free to look at my signature link though), but our border situation is created in a large part by our drug policy and our drug demand.
    It could be argued that it's not beyond the scope of this thread, as I never specified what type of barrier, and removing incentives to cross might be considered a sort of barrier...probably pushing it, however.

    I agree with you that drug trafficking is a large part of the incentive for illegal border crossings.

    As to complete legalization of drugs (of any sort, I assume, without reading your linked thread), I'm on the fence about it (pun intended). I personally dislike the state-run liquor store idea, which would likely be the model for what you describe.

    And since many drugs do cause harm to those who use them, it seems unlikely, given the current mindset in D.C., that any leadership in the near (and probably far) future is going to legalize their use (as obviously, we cannot think for ourselves).


    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    My statement on the 22' ladder was for the most part figurative, but how much money are we to throw at this? that is ~2200 miles of fence there to go high tech on, and it still probably would not work. There is still that issue of a massive incentive to find holes in it, smugglers will find a way through.
    If we are going to build anything, I have always liked the idea of more of a “funnel” system. Fences with deliberate holes, channeling the majority of those crossing towards border patrol units.

    And I was including the US – Canada Border, so the total is likely more than ~2200 miles.

    Probably closer to ~8,000-10,000 miles, if you include the Canada – Alaska border…
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Shoot to kill with no exceptions. After killing a few hundred I'm sure the rest would get the hint and stop trying to run the border. Next instead of fineing companies for hiring illegals take the companies away and run a pick your name from a hat type lotto and give it to the person that wins the lotto. Also make it to where the former owner or close family member cannot enter that lotto. Send the owner to jail for a minimum of 2 years on the first offense 5 years for second offense 10 years for third offense (assuming they start up a new company) no chance of parole. Use same tactic for anyone that rents an apartment or home to an illegal. I think companies will take the hint soon enough. In order to catch companies that hire illegals make it a mandatory 6 month employee check for all employees done by a trained and certified private business which is also checked for honesty by a random government offical every 6 months.
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    Re: Fences/Walls on USA borders, Yea or Nay? And if so, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If we are going to build anything, I have always liked the idea of more of a “funnel” system. Fences with deliberate holes, channeling the majority of those crossing towards border patrol units.

    And I was including the US – Canada Border, so the total is likely more than ~2200 miles.

    Probably closer to ~8,000-10,000 miles, if you include the Canada – Alaska border…
    Good idea in general except that once people realize whats going on they will soon start making their own holes. And with illegals being returned to across the border and coming back a week later such a funnel system would soon be found out.
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