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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    They don't actually discuss anything, and propaganda and lies shouldn't be First Amendment protected, anyway.
    Who determines what is "propaganda and lies"? That's the line that every dictator in the world uses to stifle his opposition.

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    Umm it's our governing document. Are you suggesting we replace the rule of law with a free-for-all system of government? How is that working out for Pakistan?
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I'll enlarge my sig so there's no further confusion:

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    It's a JOKE.
    It's not funny..

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    1) These aren't *my* politicians.
    2) As I've said before in this thread, the best way to "fix it" isn't for campaign finance reform but rather electoral reform.
    3) Corporate executives are voters too, and deserve their rights too.
    Finance reform would work fine. Corporate voters should not have increased value over and above the working poor. But even so a 3k cap on donations would increase their value.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Finance reform would work fine. Corporate voters should not have increased value over and above the working poor. But even so a 3k cap on donations would increase their value.
    No it wouldn't. You want to know why?

    SCIENCE!

    There's a reason why libertarians and Christian fundamentalists join in one party despite different philosophies, and a reason why environmentalists and union workers join in one party despite totally different political focuses. The reason why is because of splitting the ticket, also known as spoilers.

    Now let's say that New York state was having it's election for governor. Only the Tea Party elements caused a schism in the Republican Party between social conservatives and economic conservatives who join up with the Libertarian Party. They campaign against each other along with against the Democratic Party candidate.

    The Libertarian Party candidate gets 30% of the vote. The Republican Party 25% of the vote. The Democratic Party gets the remaining 45% of the vote.

    Because of our plurality election laws, the Democratic Party candidate will get elected into office. While he did get more votes than other candidate, 55% of voters voted against him. This means the majority of voters is being represented by a man whose politics they are against.

    Why? Because of splitting the ticket.

    If we had Instant Run-off Voting, or some other transferrable vote system, the voters would vote the same way:

    The Libertarian Party candidate gets 30% of the vote. The Republican Party gets 25% of the vote. The Democratic Party gets the remaining 45% of the vote. However, because there's no majority, the ballots that went to the Republican Party on the first vote would then go to the second vote - which would likely be the Libertarian Party.

    So in the second round, the Libertarian Party would get a total of 55% of the vote and the Democratic Party would get 45% of the vote.

    In this case, we have a candidate get elected who is more acceptable by the majority of people.

    This is how IRV works. And it's much easier to implement since it's a state issue, not a federal issue. And it'll work a lot better for third party candidates that campaign finance reform ever will. That's just all there is to it.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who determines what is "propaganda and lies"? That's the line that every dictator in the world uses to stifle his opposition.
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist. There are entire academic fields of study that focus on the use of propaganda. It's called marketing. The best people to point this out, and deal with it, are logicians and marketing experts.

    Politican ads often commit many easy-to-see fallacies on purpose, because they are emotionally appealing. For example, they will make deliberately vague accusations that are negative, yet have little to do with any issue or have any relevancy. THey will not sayit directly, but indirectly. This is obvious propaganda.

    The Swift Boaters are another example, only they outright lied. But the beauty of marketing is that you can lie, and even if the lie is exposed, it rarely gets the attention that the original statement did. So even if people are exhonerated, political attack ads cement negative attitudes toward the accused.

    They also are useless, since they can't possibly convey any serious message, or content, in the format.

    The only function of political ads is to smear and insinuate.



    Umm it's our governing document. Are you suggesting we replace the rule of law with a free-for-all system of government? How is that working out for Pakistan?
    No, I am suggesting viewing it like a document and framework instead of frothing at the mouth like it's a holy text. There's no reason to interpret freedom of speech as protecting any kind of speech whatsoever.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I feel kinda scorned and bitter, at times, about this.
    I'd like to call it, "You reap what you sow."
    (Not you specifically.)
    I think ultimately, people want leadership in some form from government. If someone they consider a leader tells them that we are going to need to go through some austerity, there is a chance people will support that. But this is never going to happen until people begin to trust government again. The number one problem with trust is that government is corrupt.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think ultimately, people want leadership in some form from government. If someone they consider a leader tells them that we are going to need to go through some austerity, there is a chance people will support that. But this is never going to happen until people begin to trust government again. The number one problem with trust is that government is corrupt.
    I've stumbled upon a pretty cool idea called agonism.
    Agonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I think it's a great idea personally.
    Using it in place of the House of Representatives would be cool as well.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If you vote no .. please explain.
    free speech. its not a legitimate government function to tell someone how to spend their money



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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That doesn't cover the problem of third party ads.
    Certainly there are things that would need to be worked out, but the idea itself seems sound and it solve the majority of the nasty problems American politics has devolved into.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    I would like to see a campaign where the hopeful to be POTUS tried their best to spend as little money as possible. THAT would be a President worth voting for on that merit alone...almost anyways.
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