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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So corporations can pay other individuals +3K to give 3K to a certain candidate and keep the rest for their trouble?
    yeah that is what would happen but at least it would be much more difficult to manage and certainly they would have difficulty having thousands of people donate secretly without being discovered. But further it would clear up the completion of the lobby mess in Washington and force elected representatives to focus on policy for the people as opposed to corporate interest. As it is currently your government is for sale to corporate interest almost exclusively.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So you're saying that in America we allow websites that show off tits with such little protections that 12-year-olds can look it up at any time but using television and radio as a medium for the announcement of political awareness for the electorate should be banned? That's not how free speech works.
    I didn't say that. Tits aren't harming 12 year olds anyway, but most political ads harm public discourse. They promote, and exploit, a culture of corruption, short attention spans. They are unreliable and distracting, useless forms of political discussion.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    I didn't say that. Tits aren't harming 12 year olds anyway, but most political ads harm public discourse. They promote, and exploit, a culture of corruption, short attention spans. They are unreliable and distracting, useless forms of political discussion.
    And being as they are political discussion, they are protected by the First Amendment, moreso even than tits.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    yeah that is what would happen but at least it would be much more difficult to manage and certainly they would have difficulty having thousands of people donate secretly without being discovered. But further it would clear up the completion of the lobby mess in Washington and force elected representatives to focus on policy for the people as opposed to corporate interest. As it is currently your government is for sale to corporate interest almost exclusively.
    No it wouldn't. It would just be more regulation for corporations to either find loopholes or outright ignore until their lawyers can take it up to the Supreme Court and get it struck down.

    Don't worry, though. In about 20 years the generation that relies solely on television, radio, and print media for their information will be dead, and those that remain will get their commercials via the internet, so most political ads will instead be heard on YouTube, Pandora, and the blogosphere. So it's all moot anyways.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No it wouldn't. It would just be more regulation for corporations to either find loopholes or outright ignore until their lawyers can take it up to the Supreme Court and get it struck down.
    A simple no tolerance policy .. zero loopholes would end it. Your being overly pessimistic about failure to monitor campaign contributions without even giving it a chance or credence.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    And being as they are political discussion, they are protected by the First Amendment, moreso even than tits.
    A "libertarian" with his favorite corporate logo in his sig.. how pathetic.
    Last edited by Gabriel; 09-30-10 at 04:25 PM.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    A simple no tolerance policy .. zero loopholes would end it.
    No, it wouldn't. Money will always find its way to power. Always.
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    Your being overly pessimistic about failure to monitor campaign contributions without even giving it a chance or credence.
    Campaign contributions are already being monitored: OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting

    Adding more laws and penalties to the mix will simply push the contributions underground where they cannot be monitored.

    You want politicians to no longer be bought off? Take away their power. Other than that, all the campaign finance laws in the world aren't worth a squirt of piss.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    A "libertarian" with his favorite corporate logo in his sig.. how pathetic.
    An "educator" who can't ****ing read or recognize irony.. how pathetic.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    A simple no tolerance policy .. zero loopholes would end it. Your being overly pessimistic about failure to monitor campaign contributions without even giving it a chance or credence.
    If you can find a way to write a bill with zero loopholes, and get a majority of the House of Representatives to vote for it, and get a majority of the Senate to vote for it after getting a 2/3 majority to vote to end a filibuster to bring it up to a vote, get a President to sign it into law then you, and make it able to withstand a decision from the Supreme Court to strike it down, then you, good sir, would be the greatest statesman of our age.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No, it wouldn't. Money will always find its way to power. Always.Campaign contributions are already being monitored: OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting

    Adding more laws and penalties to the mix will simply push the contributions underground where they cannot be monitored.

    You want politicians to no longer be bought off? Take away their power. Other than that, all the campaign finance laws in the world aren't worth a squirt of piss.
    lmao. Never mind... you epitomize the libertarian corporate apologist. I have no interest in much anything you have to say about this subject, you don't even understand libertarianism.

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