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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't believe the debate will be anything but the superficial, softball fest we've had now.
    Funding would flow to whomever Congress wanted to, basically all the incumbent parties and individuals.
    Well, there are a number of ways and formats to go about it. I don't think the current format of debate would work, no. I would propose an alternate debate format. The debate structure could be similiar to the TEC debate structure. And you could also mandate that all public funding is equally distributed so as to prevent funneling, no?

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ok so what happens when the entrenched (politicians) groups just vote themselves more than enough money to continue their negative/harmful campaigning.

    There is no real benefit to this, you're taking money that is privately given and forcing the taxpayer to subsidize the same thing.
    There would be no advantage in it as their opponent would automatically get the same benefit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And then with the private debate, they could again have the whole thing scripted and even if it wasn't, people debating over hard policy isn't going to interest the electorate at all.
    The best appeals to emotion and the best looking politicians will win, still.
    If politicians were actually accountable to the people, than they would have more motivation to do their jobs for the benefit of (all) people instead of a few advantaged groups.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people who are members of the corporations are still constituents.
    Who's to say what they want is always wrong?
    Those people would still be able to contribute to the election process, but with an influence that actually represents their numbers.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I see less of a problem with private citizens contributing as long as its their money and not the corp's.
    When it comes to high level executives and the corporation they work for, there is quite little difference between money from one and money from the other.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Only that libertarians are becoming corporate apologists in all this. You make excuses for government to be corrupted by big business instead of government being focused on policy and it comes off as terribly hypocritical. If you are a libertarian that supports the tea party you have been completely scammed. Libertarianism is not about government being controlled and manipulated by corporate interest.. or is that some new thing?
    I don't believe in corporate person hood but typically people who argue against corporate special interests are only talking about one kind of corporation, businesses.
    It's often a veiled form of class warfare.

    Not often do we talk about banning charities, unions and the like from the category of special interests.
    So that and another indulgent reason, is why I'm supporting it in this debate.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't believe in corporate person hood but typically people who argue against corporate special interests are only talking about one kind of corporation, businesses.
    It's often a veiled form of class warfare.
    Class warfare will never go away until money and the darker parts of human nature does (which will probably never happen) (nothing wrong with a rich person if they are also a good person)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not often do we talk about banning charities, unions and the like from the category of special interests.
    So that and another indulgent reason, is why I'm supporting it in this debate.
    Those organizations are made up of people and those people can still participate by voting. This makes it impossible for people to lose their influence. They just don't get multiple influence (themselves, plus their groups)

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    There is a way to fix the problem of independent groups putting out junk political ads: ban all political ads. Institute mandatory formal debate in writing/television in its place for all candidates. All funding should be public, based on tax dollars. There should be no independent funding allowed, from corporations or citizens.
    So you're saying that in America we allow websites that show off tits with such little protections that 12-year-olds can look it up at any time but using television and radio as a medium for the announcement of political awareness for the electorate should be banned? That's not how free speech works.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    Well, there are a number of ways and formats to go about it. I don't think the current format of debate would work, no. I would propose an alternate debate format. The debate structure could be similiar to the TEC debate structure. And you could also mandate that all public funding is equally distributed so as to prevent funneling, no?
    The reason I get suspicious over these things is because of Congressional shenanigans like gerrymandering and party "moat digging."
    Where they do stuff to protect their shared power.

    I've come up with an alternative to the House of Representatives that I think is more equal but it mimics the senate in some regards.

    I'd like the debates to be held by the league of women voters, like it was before.
    They seemed to have done a good job.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd like the debates to be held by the league of women voters, like it was before.
    They seemed to have done a good job.
    I think we should enact Trial by Combat in which we put the two candidates in a kiddie pool of KY and a single pool cue as the weapon and whoever gets out alive wins the election. It's the way God wants it to be. It's in the Bible. Somewhere.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    When it comes to high level executives and the corporation they work for, there is quite little difference between money from one and money from the other.
    People can often carry a much different political agenda then their employers, it most certainly be regarded in that manner. Corporations are like mini collectives and in no way should libertarians be supportive of these groups that are supposed to be subject to the market. The donations should be capped so I agree with your statement. A small number of individuals should not have more influence on collectively elected representatives to the extent they are. The difference is how much can be contributed. I don't see anything wrong with making a 3k contribution from individuals the cap and allocating a limited amount from the public purse for advertising to ballot representatives.

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