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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    No, I am suggesting viewing it like a document and framework instead of frothing at the mouth like it's a holy text. There's no reason to interpret freedom of speech as protecting any kind of speech whatsoever.
    No one is under the illusion that freedom of speech is "protecting any kind of speech whatsoever". For example you cannot yell FIRE! in a theater. Any speech which causes bodily or physical harm or incites bodily or physical harm is against the law despite the 1st amendment of the Bill of Rights. You also cannot say something that is not true against someone else. That's called defamation and libel, if you do you can be sued.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    free speech. its not a legitimate government function to tell someone how to spend their money
    Free Spech isn't being silenced, it is being limited if we introduce limits on campaign funds. I would actually argue free speech is being more fully represented by leveling the playing field like this. If everyone has the same amount of funds, then everyone can afford the same amount of ads, rallies, etc. Now, it is jut up to the candidate's ability to use the money they've been given most effectively, and I know I'd consider that if I was looking for someone to give my vote to. In our current system, the group that has more funds dominates the other group in the media, and that prevents the suppressed group from succesfully presenting his/her platform to the voters.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Free Spech isn't being silenced, it is being limited if we introduce limits on campaign funds. I would actually argue free speech is being more fully represented by leveling the playing field like this. If everyone has the same amount of funds, then everyone can afford the same amount of ads, rallies, etc. Now, it is jut up to the candidate's ability to use the money they've been given most effectively, and I know I'd consider that if I was looking for someone to give my vote to. In our current system, the group that has more funds dominates the other group in the media, and that prevents the suppressed group from succesfully presenting his/her platform to the voters.
    This ^^^^^^^

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That doesn't cover the problem of third party ads.
    Third-party ads are a problem?

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Free Spech isn't being silenced, it is being limited if we introduce limits on campaign funds. I would actually argue free speech is being more fully represented by leveling the playing field like this. If everyone has the same amount of funds, then everyone can afford the same amount of ads, rallies, etc.
    Your assumption is that the playing field -should- be 'level', under one defintion of that word.

    If campaign donations are a measure of support for a candidate, both in terms of the number of people that donate and the amount that thay they give, then artifically limiting the fund that a candidate can use merely squashes the support of the candidate with the most support, and in doing so, restricts the rights of his supporters to some lowest common demoninator.

    In our current system, the group that has more funds dominates the other group in the media, and that prevents the suppressed group from succesfully presenting his/her platform to the voters.
    The "suppressed" group? Dont you mean the group that doesn't have a message strong enough to attract as much support as the other guy? That's not a problem for the government to solve.

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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The "suppressed" group? Dont you mean the group that doesn't have a message strong enough to attract as much support as the other guy? That's not a problem for the government to solve.
    Not in today's political field. Now adays it is all about drowning out the competition. Why do you think that so many people believed that Sarah Palin said that "I can see russia from my backyard" when she didn't?
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Your assumption is that the playing field -should- be 'level', under one defintion of that word.
    If we want to preserve some semblance of balanced, free speech in our elections, then yes, we should level the playing field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If campaign donations are a measure of support for a candidate, both in terms of the number of people that donate and the amount that thay they give, then artifically limiting the fund that a candidate can use merely squashes the support of the candidate with the most support, and in doing so, restricts the rights of his supporters to some lowest common demoninator.
    When you have single groups, single people who can hand out millions of dollars to a political party, that isn't the support of the people, its the support of a person, and more often some special interest groups, through lobbyists and what not. Your perspective would be completely valid if there were absolute limits that any one group could give to any one candidate, and even then, there would be loopholes for those groups to give more, or make it seem like more people gave to one candidate. Therefore, the absolute best thing to do would be to introduce absolute limits on campaign funds, ie federal funding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The "suppressed" group? Dont you mean the group that doesn't have a message strong enough to attract as much support as the other guy? That's not a problem for the government to solve.
    Again, we have single people spending huge amounts of funds to overwhelm the average person. I don't like the idea, in general, of involving the government with campaigning, but in this instance, that is the lesser of two evils.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm skeptical that there is any causal relationship between the amount of money that the candidate spends and the electoral results they achieve...at least once you get beyond the point where most voters know who the candidate is. It's true that there is a correlation, but I think this is more due to the fact that popular candidates tend to get both a lot of votes and a lot of money, rather than any direct relationship between the money and the votes.

    Therefore I'm skeptical that federally-financed political campaigns would do much.
    If that were true, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Wouldn't libertarians like to get corperations out of Federal policy making? Why not let policy be what politics are about?

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    Isn't there already federal financing?
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    Re: Should America move to federally financed political campaigns?

    How could ANYone vote "No"?????

    Money in campaigns is the largest problem OF the election! It breeds corruption! Anyone with a understanding of the System MUST vote YES!
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