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  • Franklin Pierce

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  • Herbert Hoover

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  • Warren G. Harding

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Not really -- unlike the Americans, we can admit that we've had our share of defeats as well as victories. I could ask the same of you, though -- still smarting that such a glorious battle didn't save you from losing the war?

    But, no, enough of this banter -- I'm referring to the genocide, not his military campaigns, which I can respect.
    lost what war?

    btw I note that despite my keen interest in English History (my mom being a professor of English history made me read all sorts of stuff-some interesting like Agincourt and how Edward the second met his end at the hands of his wife's lover Roger Mortimer) to some really boring stuff but I don't ever recall coming across many yanks on a message board constantly talking about Brit PMs or ranking the royals. yet, I see lots of Brits talking about Presidents. I guess the only think I can draw from that is you all are alot more concerned about our leaders t han we are of yours.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lost what war?

    btw I note that despite my keen interest in English History (my mom being a professor of English history made me read all sorts of stuff-some interesting like Agincourt and how Edward the second met his end at the hands of his wife's lover Roger Mortimer) to some really boring stuff but I don't ever recall coming across many yanks on a message board constantly talking about Brit PMs or ranking the royals. yet, I see lots of Brits talking about Presidents. I guess the only think I can draw from that is you all are alot more concerned about our leaders t han we are of yours.
    The War of 1812. The States lost it. A good indication that your nation's military history is warped is how the only nation that thinks the States won ever war they've ever fought... Are the States. Or, not even -- your government even admits most of the lost wars -- it's some of your unbelievably dogmatic and bigoted people.

    Anyway, as for Americans taking an interest in British politics, you should try the BBC or the Guardian forums -- plenty of the posters there are American, living in the States, or immigrants from the States.

    A fun fact, by the way -- ever since 2002, immigration from Europe to America has been dwarfed by immigration from America to Europe. Britain is no exception -- I see more Americans every year. And don't get me wrong, there are the nice, intelligent, respectful ones, and the idiotic, rude, arrogant ones -- we all have them. But it doesn't change the fact that your Amerocentrism is blinding you to a lot of realities about the world you live in.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    The War of 1812. The States lost it. A good indication that your nation's military history is warped is how the only nation that thinks the States won ever war they've ever fought... Are the States. Or, not even -- your government even admits most of the lost wars -- it's some of your unbelievably dogmatic and bigoted people.

    Anyway, as for Americans taking an interest in British politics, you should try the BBC or the Guardian forums -- plenty of the posters there are American, living in the States, or immigrants from the States.

    A fun fact, by the way -- ever since 2002, immigration from Europe to America has been dwarfed by immigration from America to Europe. Britain is no exception -- I see more Americans every year. And don't get me wrong, there are the nice, intelligent, respectful ones, and the idiotic, rude, arrogant ones -- we all have them. But it doesn't change the fact that your Amerocentrism is blinding you to a lot of realities about the world you live in.
    so what did you all win? You lost more men and it certainly cost you more to wage war over here. You didn't get additional territories

    I am not blind about anything. I just have a jaundiced view of the has been nations braying about how great they are.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Not really -- unlike the Americans, we can admit that we've had our share of defeats as well as victories. I could ask the same of you, though -- still smarting that such a glorious battle didn't save you from losing the war?

    But, no, enough of this banter -- I'm referring to the genocide, not his military campaigns, which I can respect.
    I never quite thought of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that way before, but killing helpless Muslims with our drones, tanks, and choppers is genocide, isn't it, and contrived reasons why has nothing to do with it. Hard to believe that the ancient Christian crusade has new life.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    The War of 1812. The States lost it.
    I'm really intrigued to see how you will justify the terms agreed upon in the Treaty of Ghent as a "British victory". The Brits withdrew, giving up all territorial gains made during the war and the war ended with an American victory at Plattsburg. The British offensive also did NOTHING to stem the impending tide of Manifest Destiny and the resulting Westward expansion of the American culture.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I'm really intrigued to see how you will justify the terms agreed upon in the Treaty of Ghent as a "British victory". The Brits withdrew, giving up all territorial gains made during the war and the war ended with an American victory at Plattsburg. The British offensive also did NOTHING to stem the impending tide of Manifest Destiny and the resulting Westward expansion of the American culture.
    I believe he may have been the British Chap who played the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail

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    "I've cut off both your arms you bloody fool!"......................

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    "I've cut off both your arms you bloody fool!"......................

    "No you didn't....have at thee then!"
    It's just a FLESH WOUND!!



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It's just a FLESH WOUND!!
    And tendon...And bone...and...well, you get the idea.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    I never quite thought of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that way before, but killing helpless Muslims with our drones, tanks, and choppers is genocide, isn't it, and contrived reasons why has nothing to do with it. Hard to believe that the ancient Christian crusade has new life.

    ricksfolly
    Hmm, actually, I was referring to Andrew Jackson's organised and systematic genocide of the American Indians, not the War in Iraq or Afghanistan. I'm not sure I'd call that genocide, as much as just unequal warfare.

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