View Poll Results: Worst American President

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  • Barack Obama

    141 62.11%
  • George W. Bush

    30 13.22%
  • Franklin Pierce

    3 1.32%
  • Herbert Hoover

    6 2.64%
  • Warren G. Harding

    6 2.64%
  • FDR

    8 3.52%
  • James Buchanan

    9 3.96%
  • Ulysses S. Grant

    2 0.88%
  • Other

    22 9.69%
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... if lasting impact would be the criteria rather than over all poor performance, for me it would be a toss up between Buchanan and Nixon. Buchanan for his inaction in working towards preventing the Civil War, and Nixon for demonstrating, blatantly, the dishonesty of politicians. Nixon did quite a bit of good in regards to foreign policy, but in regards to impact and lasting impressions, Watergate trumps everything.
    I disagree on Nixon though we could argue that Nixon's idiotic coverup gave us four years of appeasement and malaise with Peanut Boy so you might have a point there. All watergate did was hurt the GOP.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I disagree on Nixon though we could argue that Nixon's idiotic coverup gave us four years of appeasement and malaise with Peanut Boy so you might have a point there. All watergate did was hurt the GOP.
    I agree that if it wasn't for Nixon's coverup, we wouldn't have had Carter. Ford would have been elected. However, the rammifications of Watergate go far beyond that. It opened the floodgates for complete mistrust in politicians (which is now the default), and for the media's main focus to be to find some juicy scandal, rather than focusing on issues. It very much changed the political climate and how the average American viewed those in office.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree that if it wasn't for Nixon's coverup, we wouldn't have had Carter. Ford would have been elected. However, the rammifications of Watergate go far beyond that. It opened the floodgates for complete mistrust in politicians (which is now the default), and for the media's main focus to be to find some juicy scandal, rather than focusing on issues. It very much changed the political climate and how the average American viewed those in office.
    a sound point-for those of us on the libertarian right we always distrusted government. I think it was more of a shock for the "great society" and "best and brightest crowd" who had put so much faith in the government-even when it was GOP run. since most of those whom I associated with at that time had a healthy distrust of federal activities, we weren't shocked. I can see how the old Kennedy set had their reality bitch slapped out of the arena



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a sound point-for those of us on the libertarian right we always distrusted government. I think it was more of a shock for the "great society" and "best and brightest crowd" who had put so much faith in the government-even when it was GOP run. since most of those whom I associated with at that time had a healthy distrust of federal activities, we weren't shocked. I can see how the old Kennedy set had their reality bitch slapped out of the arena
    I think the country in general was shocked that one with the responsibility that Nixon had could and would use it so unwisely and so much for his own purposes. What those people probably failed to realize was the Nixon was just mimicking things that happened every day with "average" Americans. It was a big deal because it was the President and many expected the President to act "better".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think the country in general was shocked that one with the responsibility that Nixon had could and would use it so unwisely and so much for his own purposes. What those people probably failed to realize was the Nixon was just mimicking things that happened every day with "average" Americans. It was a big deal because it was the President and many expected the President to act "better".
    I had the interesting experience of 5-6 years after watergate getting to meet-at different times-most of the watergate crowd including Halderman, Mitchell, G Gordon Liddy and Richard Kleindeinst when they appeared as guests of the Yale Political Union.

    I think the ultimate judgement was that Nixon was paranoid after believing the 60 election had been stolen from him and was taking no chances but most of those I talked to denied that Nixon knew about the scheme until it was exposed. Then he circled the wagons.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I had the interesting experience of 5-6 years after watergate getting to meet-at different times-most of the watergate crowd including Halderman, Mitchell, G Gordon Liddy and Richard Kleindeinst when they appeared as guests of the Yale Political Union.

    I think the ultimate judgement was that Nixon was paranoid after believing the 60 election had been stolen from him and was taking no chances but most of those I talked to denied that Nixon knew about the scheme until it was exposed. Then he circled the wagons.
    Interesting commentary. Doesn't surprise me. I had always felt that Nixon was "late to the party", but once he was there, he partied vigorously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interesting commentary. Doesn't surprise me. I had always felt that Nixon was "late to the party", but once he was there, he partied vigorously.
    yeah that is about the best description I have heard that reflects especially what Kleideinst told us.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Why is Andrew Jackson not the first name on that list?

    That's like making a poll of the worst German leaders to date, and entirely forgetting to put Hitler on the list. Is it because everyone agrees Jackson, the Hitler of the 19th century, deserves first place, and this is really a poll for the second worst President to date? Or perhaps the poll isn't so much about history as about current politics, as fully half of the presidents on the poll were within the last 50 to 75 years?

    Or... Did you just forget to put Andrew Jackson on there? XD

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Why is Andrew Jackson not the first name on that list?

    That's like making a poll of the worst German leaders to date, and entirely forgetting to put Hitler on the list. Is it because everyone agrees Jackson, the Hitler of the 19th century, deserves first place, and this is really a poll for the second worst President to date? Or perhaps the poll isn't so much about history as about current politics, as fully half of the presidents on the poll were within the last 50 to 75 years?

    Or... Did you just forget to put Andrew Jackson on there? XD
    still smarting over the ass kicking at New Orleans?



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    still smarting over the ass kicking at New Orleans?
    Not really -- unlike the Americans, we can admit that we've had our share of defeats as well as victories. I could ask the same of you, though -- still smarting that such a glorious battle didn't save you from losing the war?

    But, no, enough of this banter -- I'm referring to the genocide, not his military campaigns, which I can respect.

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