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  • Barack Obama

    141 62.11%
  • George W. Bush

    30 13.22%
  • Franklin Pierce

    3 1.32%
  • Herbert Hoover

    6 2.64%
  • Warren G. Harding

    6 2.64%
  • FDR

    8 3.52%
  • James Buchanan

    9 3.96%
  • Ulysses S. Grant

    2 0.88%
  • Other

    22 9.69%
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard. That was the one that counts.


    Actually Gore had a little edge on Bush on the SAT scores, but neither was exceptional.
    Confidential college transcripts and test scores obtained by the Washington Post reveal that neither presidential candidate, George W. Bush nor Al Gore, were shining students during their college days at Yale and Harvard, respectively. Although each earned respectable scores on the SAT college admissions test (a total of 1355 of 1600 for Gore and 1206 for Bush), neither did that well in their college courses. Both earned a mix of B and C grades. Gore's lowest grade of D came in a natural sciences course, while his top grades were an A in French and English, an A in Visual and Environmental Studies, and an A- in Social Relations. Bush's lowest marks were a 70 (of 100) in Sociology and a 71 in Economics, while his highest scores were High Passes in History and Japanese.
    Bush/Gore Grades and SAT Scores


    Bush wasn't good in Economics, something that he got to prove to us.
    Gore failed to complete both divinity school and law school. so he was not fit to run a kingdom of man nor of God. a Harvard MBA is alot more relevant to understanding economics than failing to complete law or divinity school or being rejected at Harvard Law as Kerry was (no one applies to BC as their first choice in Boston)



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Well, I wouldn't have given you the link if I had been trying to hide the fact that it is a joke, a funny one at that! Didn't you notice that all the Republicans had lower IQ's - aimed at inciting at least a little indignation?


    Oh sure, an IQ based solely on assessments/opinions by others - how believable is that? One would have to have a very low IQ to think that someone's IQ can be determined by anything other than actual testing.

    What I believe is that Bush didn't have a sterling academic record like Obama - and the fact that some on this thread were trying to insinuate that.
    Obama did well in law school -was in the top 50-75 of his class of 500

    how he did in college is unknown except that he didn't even make honors at Columbia which strongly suggests that the only way he got into harvard law was due to being a minority. I knew several hundred people who went to Harvard or other top law schools and I cannot think of any white male who got into Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Duke or MIchigan with less than Honors-and that was Honors at Yale.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    While the academic slugfest is interesting, a real story of the 20th century has been the inability of intellectuals or of professionals to nail down serious political and sociological issues into likely solutions. I'm very much interested in the experts, and heed their advice, but some of the best words of wisdom have come from professionals who are wary of their ability to conduct productive public policy.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    His voting base was still significantly the average American.
    That was his real base, the average Republican. The ultra wealthy were the ones he considered his base, the ones his polices were geared to help.


    Your desire to use money (something that is universal in American politics) does little to negate the fact that his core constituency were average white Americans and a significant segment of hispanic voters. These are not pinstriped Americans, they are you and me.
    I guess you miss my whole point. Sure, the average folks were the ones that were voting for him, but those were not the ones he catered to. Most of his policies were aimed at helping the wealthy. Tax cuts to corporations that were outsourcing jobs did not help the avg American.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While the academic slugfest is interesting, a real story of the 20th century has been the inability of intellectuals or of professionals to nail down serious political and sociological issues into likely solutions. I'm very much interested in the experts, and heed their advice, but some of the best words of wisdom have come from professionals who are wary of their ability to conduct productive public policy.
    it might be because supposed experts have political agendas that dominate what they do. Look at that clown Krugman-supposedly a brilliant economist who spews the same tired socialist class struggle BS



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    That was his real base, the average Republican. The ultra wealthy were the ones he considered his base, the ones his polices were geared to help.



    I guess you miss my whole point. Sure, the average folks were the ones that were voting for him, but those were not the ones he catered to. Most of his policies were aimed at helping the wealthy. Tax cuts to corporations that were outsourcing jobs did not help the avg American.
    the common claim of the left that cutting taxes hurts the poor is complete crap. in reality, government handouts are much like drugs-they might make the poor feel better but in the long run they sap the poor of drive and ambition which is exactly while ultra rich dems push for welfare-socialism.

    a system that rewards ambition and hard work is going to cause more of the poor to work hard and strive to win than one that tells them that losing is acceptable and they cannot achieve because the "rich" are keeping them down.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it might be because supposed experts have political agendas that dominate what they do. Look at that clown Krugman-supposedly a brilliant economist who spews the same tired socialist class struggle BS
    Well, sort of...sort of not. It is more or less the confidence in their intellectual prowess that can get them going...and then reality sets in. It is difficult to change things for the better, and though our sophisticated measurements can help a great deal in public policy, it is in error to believe that it is the "smart" ones who will make the best decisions. Character, temperament, management style, atmosphere are all things that will impact the experts in ways similar to any man and in other ways uniquely because of their academic prowess. It could simply be that just because you have confidence in your ability, confidence in your intellect, does not mean you will be able to craft a positive public policy.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its actually the dems who help the ultra wealthy. Estate and income taxes kill off those who would reach their level. If you think rich dems care for the poor you are sorely mistaken. Rich liberals need lots of poor to vote for them and to justify the socialist nonsense that actually helps the uber wealthy

    Please prove this pile of nonsense, TurtleDude.


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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    That was his real base, the average Republican. The ultra wealthy were the ones he considered his base, the ones his polices were geared to help.



    I guess you miss my whole point. Sure, the average folks were the ones that were voting for him, but those were not the ones he catered to. Most of his policies were aimed at helping the wealthy. Tax cuts to corporations that were outsourcing jobs did not help the avg American.
    You are arguing about the ends (of which will be disputed for some time to come), whereas I am arguing about what crossed his mind for achieving a desirable end, which was what you initially suggested. The effort was to improve life for the average American. His means for doing so were a mixture of tax breaks for average Americans and the wealthy. The desired end result was an improved life for most Americans. The end result could certainly be different from what was intended, but nevertheless, it was his goal.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post

    Please prove this pile of nonsense, TurtleDude.
    shall I attempt to prove it as you did with your gaping error on SSI

    why are so many of the uber wealthy like BUffett and Gates and Turner dems?

    taking half of a 4 million estate is far different than taking half of a 100 million dollar estate. the latter will normally regenerate that amount in the normal lifespan of the heir.



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