View Poll Results: Worst American President

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  • Barack Obama

    141 62.11%
  • George W. Bush

    30 13.22%
  • Franklin Pierce

    3 1.32%
  • Herbert Hoover

    6 2.64%
  • Warren G. Harding

    6 2.64%
  • FDR

    8 3.52%
  • James Buchanan

    9 3.96%
  • Ulysses S. Grant

    2 0.88%
  • Other

    22 9.69%
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    I can't believe how intelligent people can be so thoroughly brainwashed by what they read from nut-cases. Disagreeing with Obama's policies is one thing, and expected, but complete condemnation is either sick, crazy or prejudiced.

    Of course, the poll could be a cleverly contrived trick just for laughs. If so, I apologize.

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    I think the operative word in your statement is "intelligent" - so that would explain the reason.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I think the operative word in your statement is "intelligent" - so that would explain the reason.
    So far all I've read is knee jerk reaction. Let me know the next time you say something intelligent and I'll rate it 1 through 10.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    So far all I've read is knee jerk reaction. Let me know the next time you say something intelligent and I'll rate it 1 through 10.

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    I have, but obviously you weren't able to recognize it, much less rate it.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Of course, I have no domestic perspective to bring to this debate, but I've always had a particularly sceptical attitude towards Truman. Three reasons:
    1. Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
    2. McCarthyism.
    3. Korea.

    Of course each is a complex issue with arguments and explanations, but to my mind all three point to a President either malevolent or ineffectual. Perhaps both.

    JFK always struck me as horribly over-hyped too. Did he actually achieve anything? Anything at all?
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    1. It was complicated, but no matter how one looks at it (and there were several ways), it was a serious alternative towards what was possibly coming next.
    2. Again, complicated. Democrats simply could not control the message. No matter how it went, Democrats were unable to appear sufficiently anti-communist to the public.
    3. As you said, complicated.

    I couldn't quite agree with you there, but you chose your man.

    As far as JFK goes, there were a few important things: education, NASA, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. The last one, especially, deserves respect. It was one hell of a mess for both Khrushchev and Kennedy. To this day, political science and public administrators look at what happened those days to show the competence of that administration during the ultimate test.

    And again, I would automatically dismiss anyone who uses either George W. Bush or Obama.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    As far as JFK goes, there were a few important things: education, NASA, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. The last one, especially, deserves respect. It was one hell of a mess for both Khrushchev and Kennedy. To this day, political science and public administrators look at what happened those days to show the competence of that administration during the ultimate test.
    A situation largely created by his miscalculation in launching the Bay of Pigs invasion, no?

    And again, I would automatically dismiss anyone who uses either George W. Bush or Obama.
    History will judge both differently to how they are currently being judged. I suspect one worse, one better but you're right, it's sloppy, partisan nonsense to ignore the real clunkers in favour of flavour of the month hate figure.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I have, but obviously you weren't able to recognize it, much less rate it.
    That one must have slipped by me. Intelligence is so rare around here, I stopped looking for it...

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Unbelievable.

    Bush couldn't put a coherent sentence together.
    Bush didn't know the difference between tactics and strategy.

    Bush made the most telling statements of any president, and yet the middle-class Republicans weren't able to pick up that they were just his pawns.




    Bush lied and got us into an unnecessary war, over 4000 Americans were killed and as many wounded.
    Anyone who thinks Bush wasn't the worst president is just in denial.
    Apparently you do not realize that the clip you posted was from a fundraiser for a charity where the premise was political figures would make jokes about themselves. Guess who else was in attendence? Al Gore.

    As for the intelligence of Bush, last I checked he got through Yale/Harvard not to mention getting through rigorous training learning to fly a fighter jet. Estimates based off his SAT and flight school scores place his IQ somewhere around 125-130. Hardly a moron by any stretch.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    A situation largely created by his miscalculation in launching the Bay of Pigs invasion, no?



    History will judge both differently to how they are currently being judged. I suspect one worse, one better but you're right, it's sloppy, partisan nonsense to ignore the real clunkers in favour of flavour of the month hate figure.
    Not really. It was more of a counter towards our strategic presence in Turkey. To the Soviets, this was entirely defensive (actually, the word defensive is something that would continue to make negotiations complicated, simply because for the Soviets-or Russians to be specific-they were incredibly wary of anything, thus considered almost everything defensive whereas the US considered many of the moves offensive) and the United States considered the move unwarranted and incredibly dangerous.
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