View Poll Results: Worst American President

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  • Barack Obama

    141 62.11%
  • George W. Bush

    30 13.22%
  • Franklin Pierce

    3 1.32%
  • Herbert Hoover

    6 2.64%
  • Warren G. Harding

    6 2.64%
  • FDR

    8 3.52%
  • James Buchanan

    9 3.96%
  • Ulysses S. Grant

    2 0.88%
  • Other

    22 9.69%
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    I guess "hurt them" is a matter of ideological interpretation. I see many of the progammes as stavng off worse systems and the addition of a safety net, regulatory mechanisms, assistrance programmes that gave people moeny, and worker protections as positive attributes. Not saying the New Deal solved the depression or was universally good.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Other - Reagan. Directly responsible for most of our current problems.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    We helped fund and supply the same people who later attacked us. Reagan did that. You see, Americans had no problem funding terrorists, so long as the terrorists were attacking someone else far, far away.

    But I am not talking about the Soviet thing anyway. Reagan sold weapons to terrorists, so he could clandestinely fund terrorists in S. America to overthrow governments.



    That's a huge exaggeration. We still are largely capitalist today according to any credible economic organization. We have a mixed economy. We never had a 'pure' system. Our system is one of, but not the most, "capitalitst" in the world.

    FDR was important because the New Deal prevented something much, much worse and radical from taking over.



    SS was definitly a huge success. One of the most successful anti poverty mechanisms in American History, and its function can be saved with intelligent resource use, redirection, plannng, etc.

    The New Deal actually was improving the economy, so it's incorrect to say it did nothing. It was just doing it slowly. What actually set back the New Deal was FDR's reluctance to carry things through to the extent that they needed to, hence the slow progress an te 1937 setback. Conservatives actually convinced him to abandon projects early and then try to balance the budget, which cauesd the Depression's 37 recession. You can thank the Republicans for making things worse again. FDR did not spend enough, long enough. A legit criticism is that too much was going on, and FDR didn't actually trust any of it, so right when progress was made, a programme was cut, declared unconstitutional, or funding was cut (already when it wasn't nearly enough).

    The New Deal had a tremendous success, despite not ending the Depression. In its historical form, it failed to do that, partly because of obstructionists and FDR's conservative feelings about applying Kenysianism, but it did plenty else.




    That is deceptive for many reasons. One problem with the New Deal is that progress was slow an hampered by FDR's, and his oppositions, behaviour. There was an improvement from beginninig until 1937, when opposition became almost impossible to overcome, leading to a cut in efforts, funding, and a balancing of the budget too early, which undid a lot of progress.

    The New Deal also did not spend enough, fast enough. FDR had a big problem: hew as inherently conservative and did not try things long enough. That was a legitimate problem of the New Deal. It was often too little, not long enough.

    We can see what happened in WW2. The spending dwarfed the New Deal, then America got a competition free market after spending primed the pump, solving the problem.


    But the best legacy of the New Deal is the prevention of more radical systems from taking over as well as regulatory mechanisms and the social safety net. I really couldn't care less if it "solved" the Depression. The amount of suffering it alleviated and the institutions it put into place are worth it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Technocratic View Post
    I guess "hurt them" is a matter of ideological interpretation. I see many of the progammes as stavng off worse systems and the addition of a safety net, regulatory mechanisms, assistrance programmes that gave people moeny, and worker protections as positive attributes. Not saying the New Deal solved the depression or was universally good.
    Gotcha. The New Deal has certainly been debated from many sides since it came about. Thanks for the lively debate!
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

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    Other - Reagan. Directly responsible for most of our current problems.
    That is hilarious



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    He could make the argument. I would almost entirely disagree, but it's not among the strangest suggestions I have seen.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lydon Johnson. All were horrendous presidents, though I think Wilson takes the cake for nearly making this country truly fascist.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    I think the posters have spoken... and the voters will do so this November and again in 2012.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    You forgot Jimmy Carter, who, next to Obama is undoubtedly the worst American President. Obama holds the crown right now.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    You forgot Jimmy Carter, who, next to Obama is undoubtedly the worst American President. Obama holds the crown right now.
    Ha,ha! That would only be on a poll within the Tea Party - in reality, George Bush is still the worst, the fact Teabaggers won't admit it is because they are blind to all the screw ups and they've drunk too much Kool Aid.



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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    I can't believe how intelligent people can be so thoroughly brainwashed by what they read from nut-cases. Disagreeing with Obama's policies is one thing, and expected, but complete condemnation is either sick, crazy or prejudiced.

    Of course, the poll could be a cleverly contrived trick just for laughs. If so, I apologize.

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