View Poll Results: Worst American President

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  • Barack Obama

    141 62.11%
  • George W. Bush

    30 13.22%
  • Franklin Pierce

    3 1.32%
  • Herbert Hoover

    6 2.64%
  • Warren G. Harding

    6 2.64%
  • FDR

    8 3.52%
  • James Buchanan

    9 3.96%
  • Ulysses S. Grant

    2 0.88%
  • Other

    22 9.69%
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The part about exclusion due to ignorance and not being ready for the job. I don't think that should exclude him from being in the running.
    OK. I still believe that idiocy is more of a determining factor than ignorance.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    I mostly disagree. None of these are anywhere near the top for worst President. Coolidge, in particular, was one of our BEST. He did NOT contribute to the great depression; that was Hoover, and later, FDR. Our economy under Coolidge was extremeny prosperous. Hoover practiced greater fiscal responsibility than all but three or four other Presidents.
    Coolidge was HORRIBLE, and his refusal to take any action, economically, was what lead to the Great Depression. One cannot really blame Hoover... it started just a year into his Presidency. It'd be like blaming Bush II for 9/11. Coolidge's refusal to sign any Farm Relief Act was one of the major factors, with produce prices dropping dramatically, significantly hurting the agricultural industry, as was his refusal to allow nearly any kinds of federal regulations, his allowing for much economic risk-taking, without concern for the overall economy. Include in this the high tariffs, and Coolidge is an excellent example of how, in the long term, lazze-faire economics is a failure as an economic system. Coolidge was easily one of the 3 worst Presidents we ever had.

    Hoover, though not as bad, certainly worsened the Depression by not only signing the Smoot-Hawley Act, but by ALSO refusing to act with any kinds of assistance.

    The worst Presidents are:

    1. FDR--imposed massive socialism onto America; we are still suffering from it. He also agitated the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor to get us into a war (Remember his "I hate war" lie?).
    2. Lincoln--imposed the War of Northern Aggression, created 1st military draft and 1st attempt at federal income tax.
    3. LBJ--Vietnam war, "Great Society," other massive socialist interventions.
    4. Wilson--Federal income tax, massive spending and debt increases.
    5. Obama--I don't even need to mention all the crap that he has done.
    Interesting. With the exception of Obama (too early to tell), I would consider those on your list some of our best Presidents.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    128 votes for Obama, and most of them were done by guests. The poll is worthless.
    Hence why we should go towards only registered user votes. It's pretty pathetic how some people will resort to guest voting to skew a poll. But then again, age and maturity are two completely independent concepts.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    The Great Depression was a result of the Federal Reserve shortening the money supply. Hoover can't control the Fed. Blame Wilson for signing it into law.
    Really? Do you think that raising taxes and cutting spend while starting a massive trade war had no impact?

    What happens when 11% of your economy vanishes?
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Obama is very tame compared to many past Presidents... it is just the Hate Bandwagon that can't see past their own hand. Hating the present is so much easier than studying and hating the past. Groovy too, you can bitch about it and it plays like a NBA game.
    Indeed. Look how many people voted for Bush and Obama.

    Apparently the presidents who let 500,000 Americans die on their watch aren't as bad. Oh man. American public education is shameful.

    For me, it comes down to Hoover or Buchanan. Harding was bad, but he didn't cause the great depression or fail to stop the civil war.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    To be perfectly Frank it is no surprise that the leader of the "Trifecta of Doom," Obama is the hands down winner of the this poll he's been anti-American in most of his actions but always talks a good game.
    You do realize that 124 of the Obama votes are spammed votes... and are therefore pretty meaningless. Just some anti-Obama person stuffing the ballot box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hoover, though not as bad, certainly worsened the Depression by not only signing the Smoot-Hawley Act, but by ALSO refusing to act with any kinds of assistance.
    I dunno. Did Coolidge know that the outcomes of his decisions would be bad? Hoover knew and protested the Smoot-Hawley act as an awful idea that would just cause more problems. And signed it anyways. Pushing a policy you think may help but turns out bad is IMO, not as bad as enacting a policy you know is completely awful.

    Think of a jury who convicts a person they think is a killer but isn't. Pretty awful.
    Think of a jury who lets a murderer go free and they know he did the crime. That's worse.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I dunno. Did Coolidge know that the outcomes of his decisions would be bad? Hoover knew and protested the Smoot-Hawley act as an awful idea that would just cause more problems. And signed it anyways. Pushing a policy you think may help but turns out bad is IMO, not as bad as enacting a policy you know is completely awful.

    Think of a jury who convicts a person they think is a killer but isn't. Pretty awful.
    Think of a jury who lets a murderer go free and they know he did the crime. That's worse.
    Hoover inherited an untenable situation. Did he make it worse? To some extent, however, the Smoot-Hawley Act may not have been so terrible if he hadn't been set up by Coolidge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hoover inherited an untenable situation. Did he make it worse? To some extent
    I'd venture way more then some. High taxes, reduced spending and a trade war that ripped out 11% of the economy. His fault. And people like Ronpaul should hate him as well. Without Hoover's blunders, we probably wouldn't have the government we have today. Hoover's epic failure likely led to all kinds of entitlement.

    however, the Smoot-Hawley Act may not have been so terrible if he hadn't been set up by Coolidge.
    Perhaps, but SHA was total **** all around. When 11~12% of the US economy at the time was either directly or indirectly depedent on foreign trade, starting a massive trade war in the middle of a recession is just totally retarded.
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    Re: Worst American Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Coolidge was HORRIBLE, and his refusal to take any action, economically, was what lead to the Great Depression. One cannot really blame Hoover... it started just a year into his Presidency. It'd be like blaming Bush II for 9/11. Coolidge's refusal to sign any Farm Relief Act was one of the major factors, with produce prices dropping dramatically, significantly hurting the agricultural industry, as was his refusal to allow nearly any kinds of federal regulations, his allowing for much economic risk-taking, without concern for the overall economy. Include in this the high tariffs, and Coolidge is an excellent example of how, in the long term, lazze-faire economics is a failure as an economic system. Coolidge was easily one of the 3 worst Presidents we ever had.

    Hoover, though not as bad, certainly worsened the Depression by not only signing the Smoot-Hawley Act, but by ALSO refusing to act with any kinds of assistance.



    Interesting. With the exception of Obama (too early to tell), I would consider those on your list some of our best Presidents.
    Other than Lincoln, I disagree with you. FDR was a good wartime president, but his social policies were shortsighted and a massive departure from Americanism. Wilson's policies forced us into WWI and almost singlehandedly caused WWII. LBJ ignored the Vietnam war and focused on social policies that had little lasting affect.
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