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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    So you do admit to making a personal attack. Interesting.
    Give it a rest. He didn't call you a "libtard," he was making a generic reference. Why not stick to the subject instead of worrying about nonsense?

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    I find it strange that weve had equal rights and representation for a couple decades now, yet after centuries of racism some people seem to think that it has stopped in the last 20 years. The battle against institutional racism has been pretty much ideologically won. Im glad for it.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I find it strange that weve had equal rights and representation for a couple decades now, yet after centuries of racism some people seem to think that it has stopped in the last 20 years. The battle against institutional racism has been pretty much ideologically won. Im glad for it.
    Most racism these days is under the table and whispered in private. Its still very much around though.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Im not even sure about that, I feel like racism is mostly inadvertent. And that whispered racisms are limited to a small amount of people.
    The trick about racism nowadays is people dont realise that the things they think are implicitly racist.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Im not even sure about that, I feel like racism is mostly inadvertent. And that whispered racisms are limited to a small amount of people.
    The trick about racism nowadays is people dont realise that the things they think are implicitly racist.
    The problem ultimately comes from people going "black people do this" or "white people do that" and other categorization based on race when we should be looking at other social factors. Sometimes categorization among racial lines is appropriate when the issue lends itself to that categorization, but only then.

    Generally, the under the table racism these days is when people have expectations placed on you because of your race. For example, asians are better at math would be inappropriate when their are cultural and social explanations for that difference in ability. It is lazy to simply assume that it is because of race and that is where racism starts.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I stand corrected. However, were they denied the position based on race?
    That's impossile to determine when the position is decided by a popular vote.

    It's entirely possible that Obama only won the primary because he was up against a woman and that women are now more "oppressed" than blacks with regards to positions of political power. Perhpas Palin being McCain's running mate only served to provide more assistance for Obama on that regard. If that were true, then that wouldn't be evidecne that blacks not an oppressed people, just that they are the preffered oppressed choice between women and blacks.


    Or it could just be that people just liked him better overall and there was no racism or sexism involved in the decision.

    But even that doesn't provide evdiecne that there is not some lingering opression that hasn't been fully alleviated with equal rights. Think about it, we have hundreds of years of systematic oppression of minorites in this country which has led to a culture of oppression within our scoiety. While we've removed most of th ethings that were creating this oppression, the ramifications of hundreds of years doens't magically disappear overnight. It takes time. And in the 40 odd years since we've started truly changing, there have been remarkable improvements. But again, that doesn't mean that there aren't still lingering affects. Especially given the correlations betwen opportunity and socio-economic status.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

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    Are White People an oppressed minority?Cease the personal attacks such as accusations of racism or calling people names such as "tard". Further instances will lead to unpleasant consequences
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. I have admitted to nothing. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly implied that I am a racist. so before you squeal "personal attack" take a good long look in the mirror.
    I have never called you a racist, i just called out your racist comment.

    now you are just talking gibberish. it really is quite simple. The black unemployment rate is 17%. why??? I assume it is due to some failing among blacks. you think I am incorrect. So, give me some proof that the black unemployment rate is higher due to some factor beyond their control.
    Black unemployment is where it's at due to a developmental disadvantage within that particular sub culture. Some factors include relatively younger pregnancy rates and underfunded public schools (see Gary Indiana). To label it a "behavioral problem" is to ignore reality.

    yeah, which is why all these affirmative action programs are bull****. but it does give minorities OPPORTUNITY (which was what this about ). What they choose to make of that opportunity is up to them.
    You can't go back on your misuse of the word advantage. White people have a historical competitive advantage as evident in nearly all studies made on the subject. To claim that blacks have some sort of "advantage" is incorrect.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I have never called you a racist, i just called out your racist comment.
    quibble all you want, your intent was clear



    Black unemployment is where it's at due to a developmental disadvantage within that particular sub culture. Some factors include relatively younger pregnancy rates
    and whose fault is this?

    and underfunded public schools (see Gary Indiana).

    generalization, not all blacks attend underfunded public schools. many "white" schools are underfunded as well.

    To label it a "behavioral problem" is to ignore reality.
    and to discount the behavioral component is equally ignorant





    You can't go back on your misuse of the word advantage. White people have a historical competitive advantage as evident in nearly all studies made on the subject. To claim that blacks have some sort of "advantage" is incorrect.
    historical advantage is irrelevent, we aren't living in the past. lower entrance requirements and hiring quotas for minorities give blacks an advantage today.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    quibble all you want, your intent was clear
    Sure

    and whose fault is this?
    This is the type of response that brings the discussion into the realm of opinion. There is no need to assign blame; this reality has a negative impact on childhood development (necessary in obtaining an advantage).

    generalization, not all blacks attend underfunded public schools. many "white" schools are underfunded as well.
    Back to the Gary, Indiana reference. Public schools are funded from the local property taxes. School districts with nice gated communities have better resources to give students. Of course, we could switch back to your logic of, "whose fault is it" that their property values are nowhere near levels to appropriate proper funding for public schools?

    and to discount the behavioral component is equally ignorant
    My point is that we should attempt to understand why the behavior is what it is instead of taking the anti-intellectual route of assigning blame.

    historical advantage is irrelevent, we aren't living in the past.
    It is quite relevant when we compare time frames.

    lower entrance requirements and hiring quotas for minorities give blacks an advantage today.
    Again, this is a misuse of advantage; you are using it within the context of expectations which has very little (if anything) to do with an advantage. In your example, there was no disadvantage. If the black kid had higher grades or something along that line, then you could then say he had an advantage.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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